Optimizing Triangle Dimensions for Circumscribing a Circle

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The problem involves finding the dimensions of an isosceles triangle that can circumscribe a circle of radius R while minimizing the area of the triangle. The context is geometric optimization within the subject area of triangle properties and circle geometry.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss various expressions for the area of the triangle and how to relate the triangle's dimensions to the radius of the circumscribed circle. There are attempts to differentiate the area with respect to the radius and to express the sides in terms of the radius.

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Some participants have raised concerns about the interpretation of the problem, suggesting that the original poster may have misunderstood the requirements regarding circumscription versus inscription. Others are exploring different formulas for the area and questioning the validity of their expressions and approaches.

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There are indications of confusion regarding the geometric setup, particularly in distinguishing between circumscribed and inscribed triangles. Participants are also grappling with the implications of their derived expressions and the feasibility of their approaches.

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Homework Statement


Find the dimensions of an isosceles triangle of least area that can be circumscribed about a circle of radius R.


Homework Equations


Let a,b, and c denote the lengths of the sides of this triangle and c=b. Then the angles opposite these sides are A, B and C respectively, (B=C). Let B' be the angle between the radius R and the side a. See attached figure.


The Attempt at a Solution


The quantity to be minimumized is the area of the triangle. I am not too sure how to go about this but the area of the triangle [tex]S=\frac{a}{2}(R+R \sin(B'))[/tex]. Now 2B'+2A=pi, therefore [tex]B' =\frac{\pi}{2}-A \mbox{ therefore} \sin (B') = \sin(\frac{\pi}{2}-A) = \sin(\frac{\pi}{2}+A)[/tex]. Therefore [tex]S=\frac{a}{2}R(1+\sin(\frac{\pi}{2}+A))[/tex].
If I differentiate this implicitly I get [tex]\frac{a}{2}+\frac{a}{2}R\frac{d}{dR}R \sin(\frac{\pi}{2}+A) + \frac{a}{2} \sin(\frac{\pi}{2}+A)=0[/tex].
I need to find an expression for the [tex]\sin(\frac{\pi}{2}+A)[/tex]. I cannot see one suitable.
thanks for helping.
 

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I notice that only 5 people (6 counting me) have viewed your document. Most people will not go to the trouble of opening a Word document to see a simple figure. Had more people looked, you might have learned sooner that you are trying to work the wrong problem. The question asks for a triangle circumscribed about the circle, not inscribed as you have pictured.

If you think about it the minimum area inscribed such "triangle" would have area 0.
 
Thanks for the reply. I hope the new word attachment has the situtation described correctly. I still have the problem of finding the minimized area of this triangle though. The area of the triangle is [tex]T = \frac{a}{2} b \sin(C)[/tex] I have a,b and sinC to express in terms of the radius of the circle R. or what should my approach be? Maybe I should differentiate implicitly the area, T, first, and then substitute in expressions for a, b, sinC. Finding suitable expressions is the problem for me. Thanks in advance.
 
I do not know why this new attachment didn't post in my last post.
 

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[tex]T=\frac{a}{2} c \sin(B) \mbox{therefore we have } T = \frac{a}{2} c \frac{x+2R}{c}[/tex] The c's cancel out, now the problem is to find an expression for a from the figure in terms of x and R only? Or is there a more simple way to do this?
 
Ok, I found another formula for the area of this triangle area =R*s, where R =radius of the circle just touching each of the sides and lies inside the triangle, and [tex]s = \frac{a+b+c}{2}[/tex], but if you differentiate this w.r.t., R and put result equal to 0, you get s=0 i.e., [tex]\frac{a+2b}{2}=0[/tex] Then a=-2b clearly wrong. Please help and Thanks very much for the help.
 

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