Optimizing with derivatives I think

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The problem involves optimizing the cost of retrieving a bit from a base on the moon, considering the distance the rover can travel and the angle of launch. The context includes constraints related to distance, costs associated with moving the rover and changing the launch angle, and the physics of projectile motion.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts to formulate a constraint and optimization equation based on the problem's parameters. They express uncertainty about the method for finding the first derivative and whether their approach is correct. Other participants discuss the implications of the absolute value function in the optimization equation and suggest breaking it into cases based on the angle.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, providing insights on the differentiation process and the implications of working in degrees versus radians. Some guidance has been offered regarding the setup of the derivative and the behavior of the cost function, but there is no explicit consensus on the final approach.

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There are constraints related to the maximum distance the rover can travel and the costs associated with adjustments to the launch angle. The discussion also highlights the complexity introduced by the absolute value function in the optimization process.

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Optimizing with derivatives Question

Homework Statement


You're on the moon and you need a bit from the base 900 feet away so you can continue your experiment. The base has a roover/launcher used for retrieving the bit. The roover can move a max dist of 600 feet. The launcher is controlled by angle. At this time the angle is inclined at 70 degrees. It cost $375 per foot to move the roover, and $20,000 per degree to change the launch angle. What are the optimal settings (what angle should I launch from where) to minimize cost?

acceleration due to grav on moon = 5.31 ft/s^2
initial velocity of bit leaving launcher = 75 ft/s

Homework Equations



R = V^2(sin(2x))/g ; where R = total distance, V= Velocity, x= theta (some angle) and g= gravitational acceleration.

The Attempt at a Solution


I made an equation for constraint and pne for the optimaization.

Constraint:
900 = [[(75^2)*sin(2x)]/5.31]+ y ; where y = distance roover moves and x = theta

optimization
minCost = [20000*|70-x|]+2y(375) ; |...| = absolute value, 2y because the roover has to return to base.

I remember doing problems like this in HS but I need help with this one. I solved for y in the constraint equation, then substiituted it in for y in the optimization equation. Here's what I got:

minCost= [-7.945*(10^5)*sin(2x)+675000+20000*|x-70|]

Now if I am correct I get the 1st derivative of this and I will get the extrema or something like that which will be the optimal angle. Then I plug that into the first equation and get y...

But how do I find the first derivative. This might not even be the right method so please help thatnks.
 
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You are probably having a hard time getting answers because the problem is nasty and not terribly interesting. I think I agree with your minCost function. Unfortunately, life is not so easy as to just take a derivative and set equal to zero. For one thing you have the absolute value function which makes the form different for x>70 and x<70. Write down these two forms, take derivative and set equal to zero (be careful since you are working in degrees - if x is in degrees, sin(2x) should be sin(2*(pi/180)*x). For the record I get an answer just a few degrees below 70 degrees (as you might expect, since it is so expensive to adjust the angle).
 
i understand what you are saying. how do I set up the two forms though? my math skills are not that great. and is d/dx sin(2x) = to cos(2x)?
 
d/dx sin(k*x)=k*cos(k*x) (that's the chain rule). But that assumes k*x is in radians. You are working in degrees, don't forget the conversion. And for the two forms |x-70| is (x-70) if x>70 and (70-x) if x<70.
 
is this the correct derivative:
(if x > 70)
d/dx= 20000+7.945^5(cos(x(pi/90)))(pi/90)
 
Yes, I'll go along with that. You'll find x>70 is not very interesting though. Above 70 y increases AND (70-x) increases. x<70 is the place to be.
 
yAY completed and turned in. Thanks for All your help! this is an awesme forum.
 

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