Order of Group of 2 x 2 Matrices

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The discussion revolves around the order of the group G formed by 2 x 2 matrices with integer entries modulo a prime p, specifically focusing on the condition that ad - bc ≠ 0. Participants are examining the counting of matrices that meet this criterion and exploring related concepts in modular arithmetic.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants are attempting to count the number of valid matrices and are questioning the accuracy of their counts, particularly regarding cases where entries are zero. There is also discussion about the implications of modular arithmetic on the problem, including the existence of multiplicative inverses.

Discussion Status

The conversation is active, with participants providing feedback on each other's counting methods and clarifying the implications of working modulo p. Some guidance has been offered regarding the counting of products of integers modulo p, but no consensus has been reached on the overall solution.

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There is a noted ambiguity in the problem statement regarding the condition ad - bc ≠ 0, and participants are exploring how this affects their calculations. Additionally, the specific case of p = 3 is being examined, along with generalizations to other prime values.

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Homework Statement
Let G be the group of all 2 x 2 matrices
[tex] \begin{pmatrix}<br /> a & b \\ c & d<br /> \end{pmatrix}[/tex]
where a, b, c, d are integers modulo p, p a prime number, such that ad - bc ≠ 0. G forms a group relative to matrix multiplication. What is the order of G?

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Let's consider the case p = 3. According to the book, G has 48 elements. I don't see how this is possible. The possible values for a, b, c, d are 0, 1, 2, so there are 3 * 3 * 3 * 3 = 81 possible matrices. The ones we don't want are those that satisfy ad = bc and there are 3 + (3 * 2) * 2 = 15 of these. There should be 81 - 15 = 66 matrices in G. Right?
 
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I don't know how you are counting the ad=bc cases, but there are 33, not 15. Be really careful counting the cases with zero entries. It helps to split the cases by the number of zero entries.
 
You're right. I messed up counting the cases with 0 entries. I will heed your advice.
 
In order to solve this problem I need to know how many ways one can write a nonnegative integer k < p as the product of two nonnegative integers x,y < p. I haven't been able to figure this one out. Any tips?
 
e(ho0n3 said:
In order to solve this problem I need to know how many ways one can write a nonnegative integer k < p as the product of two nonnegative integers x,y < p. I haven't been able to figure this one out. Any tips?

Uh, have you forgotten you are working modulo p? Every nonzero element has a multiplicative inverse. There are p-1 ways.
 
The problem doesn't explicitly say that ad - bc ≠ 0 (mod p), although I don't think it matters.

But you're right that any nonzero element will have a multiplicative inverse, since p is prime. But how does that help? For example, say p = 31 and I want to find how many ways there are of writing 12 as a product of two positive integers. How would I go about it?
 
If you want to solve mn=q modulo p, you can pick ANY m and then set n=q*m^(-1). It has just as many solutions as there are nonzero numbers mod p.
 
You're right. I didn't think of that for some reason. Thanks.
 

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