Origin of measurement uncertainty

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the origin of measurement uncertainty in quantum mechanics, specifically whether it arises from the observer, the object, or both. It explores various interpretations of quantum theory and their implications for understanding measurement uncertainty.

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  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that the interpretation of quantum formalism influences the understanding of measurement uncertainty, noting that different interpretations yield no operational effect.
  • One participant mentions that quantum theory allows for the calculation of probabilities of outcomes, implying that uncertainties are inherent in the probabilistic nature of the theory.
  • Another participant inquires about probabilistic interpretations that focus solely on the observer, leading to a discussion of many-worlds interpretations where probabilities relate to different outcomes across worlds rather than actual events.
  • Contrasting views are presented regarding Copenhagen-style interpretations, which posit that random events occur in reality, as opposed to the many-worlds perspective.
  • A participant argues that the term "uncertainty" in Heisenberg's principle should be translated as "fuzziness," suggesting that the stability of atomic structures is based on objective fuzziness rather than subjective uncertainty.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the source of measurement uncertainty, with no consensus reached on whether it is primarily due to the observer, the object, or both. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing interpretations presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the dependence of interpretations on underlying assumptions and the implications of terminology used in quantum mechanics, such as the distinction between "uncertainty" and "fuzziness." These aspects remain unresolved within the discussion.

Loren Booda
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Does quantum measurement uncertainty result from observer, object or both?
 
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It depends upon the interpretation you give to the quantum formalism, but the different potential answers have no operational effect.

As quantum theory is operationally a theory which allows you to calculate probabilities of outcomes of observations, one shouldn't be surprised to find "uncertainties" (in other words, non-trivial probability distributions).

And as the mental image one has of what "happens behind the screens" is totally interpretation-dependent, the answer to your question is so, too. But it doesn't change anything to what's actually possible with the theory.
 
Thank you for responding, vanesch. What probabilistic interpretations are expressed in terms of the observer alone, though?
 
Loren Booda said:
Thank you for responding, vanesch. What probabilistic interpretations are expressed in terms of the observer alone, though?

Many worlds views. The probability is in which world you see, not what happens to the world.

This in contrast to Copenhagen-style views, where something random happens 'for real'.
 
Loren Booda said:
Does quantum measurement uncertainty result from observer, object or both?
If only Heisenberg's term Unschärfe were correctly translated into FUZZINESS instead of incorrectly into "uncertainty". The stability of atoms (and everything made of atoms) rests on the objective fuzziness of their internal relative positions and momenta, not on our uncertainty about the exact values of these quantities.
 

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