Orthogonal Lines and their line element

In summary, Hartle discusses the development of the line element on a sphere in preparation for the concept of a spacetime interval. He mentions that on a sphere, the distance can be calculated using a quadratic form and provides a specific example using spherical coordinates. He also explains that the matrix for this particular example is diagonal due to the orthogonal nature of the curves. This supports the more general idea that a line element can be represented as the sum of the squares of two orthogonal lines.
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In one of the early chapters of Gravity by Hartle, he is developing the line element on a sphere in preparation for developing the concept of a spacetime interval. Whilst finishing up the proof Hartle sort of implicitly says that if two lines are orthogonal the line element connecting two points on the two lines can be given by a pythagorean-like equation (the distance)2=(position on one line)2+(position on the other)2.

Is the more general question of a line element being the sum of the squares of the two orthogonal lines true?

Sorry if this question is a bit messy.
 
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In general, if you have a "surface" or "space" with a coordinate system with coordinates [itex]x^1[/itex], [itex]x^2[/itex], ..., [itex]x^n[/itex], then the distance is given by a quadratic form [itex]\sum a_{ij}dx^idx^j[/itex].

Is that what you are talking about?
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In particular, on the surface of a sphere of radius, R, we can identify each point by using spherical coordinates with the radial coordinate, [itex]\rho[/itex], fixed as the constant, R.

[itex]x= Rcos(\theta)sin(\phi)[/itex] so that [itex]dx= -Rsin(\theta)sin(\phi)d\theta+ Rcos(\theta)cos(\phi)d\phi[/itex]
[itex]y= Rsin(\theta)sin(\phi)[/itex] so that [itex]dy= Rcos(\theta)sin(\phi)d\theta+ Rsin(\theta)cos(\phi)d\phi[/itex]
[itex]z= R cos(\phi)[/itex] so that [itex]dz= -R sin(\phi)d\phi[/itex]

And now,
[itex]dx^2= R^2cos^2(\theta)sin^2(\phi)d\theta^2- 2R^2sin(\theta)cos(theta)sin(\phi)cos(\phi)d\theta d\phi+ R^2cos^2(\theta)cos^2(\phi)d\phi^2[/itex]
[itex]dy^2= R^2sin^2(\theta)sin^2(\phi)d\theta^2+ 2R^2 sin(\theta)cos(\theta)sin(\phi)cos(\phi)d\theta d\phi+ R^2sin^2(\theta)cos^2(\phi)d\phi^2[/itex]
so that [itex]dx^2+ dy^2= R^2sin^2(\phi)d\theta^2+ R^2cos^2(\phi)d\phi^2[/itex]

And [itex]dz^2= R^2 sin^2(\phi) d\phi^2[/itex] so that [itex]dx^2+ dy^2+ dz^2= R^2sin^2(\phi)d\theta^2+ R^2d\phi^2[/itex]

That can be written as [itex]\sum g_{ij}dx^idx^j[/itex] or, as a matrix product, in this particular coordinate system,
[tex]\begin{pmatrix}d\theta & d\phi\end{pmatrix}\begin{pmatrix}R^2sin^2(\phi) & 0 \\ 0 & R^2\end{pmatrix}\begin{pmatrix}d\theta \\ d\phi\end{pmatrix}[/tex]

There is no "[itex]d\theta d\phi[/itex]" term, and the matrix is diagonal, precisely because the constant [itex]\theta[/itex] and constant [itex]\phi[/itex] curves are always orthogonal.
 
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I think I followed that, and I do think that is what I was talking about.

Thank you.
 

1. What is the definition of orthogonal lines?

Orthogonal lines, also known as perpendicular lines, are two lines that intersect at a right angle (90 degrees).

2. How can you determine if two lines are orthogonal?

To determine if two lines are orthogonal, you can calculate their slopes. If the product of the slopes is -1, then the lines are orthogonal.

3. What is the line element of orthogonal lines?

The line element of orthogonal lines is the distance between any two points on the line. This can be calculated using the Pythagorean theorem.

4. How are orthogonal lines used in mathematics?

Orthogonal lines are used in various fields of mathematics, such as geometry and trigonometry, to solve problems involving angles and distances.

5. Can orthogonal lines exist in three-dimensional space?

Yes, orthogonal lines can exist in three-dimensional space. In this case, they would intersect at a right angle in a three-dimensional plane.

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