Oscillation in quadratic potential

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around finding the period of oscillation of a particle constrained to move along the x-axis under a quadratic potential of the form V(x) = a + bx + cx². Participants explore various approaches to derive the period, including force equations and potential energy considerations.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Mathematical reasoning
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks guidance on how to approach the problem of finding the period of oscillation.
  • Another participant suggests relating potential to motion through known equations, specifically mentioning the force equation F = -2cx - b.
  • A participant proposes using a differential equation to express the motion and considers integrating it, although they encounter difficulties.
  • One participant derives a solution for the motion, suggesting that the angular velocity is ω = √(2c/m) and proposes a formula for the period T = 2π√(m/2c).
  • Another participant confirms the derived period and offers an alternative way to express the force equation in a form that directly reveals the period without solving the general solution.
  • There is a clarification about the displacement from the equilibrium position and the applicability of the simple harmonic oscillator formula.
  • A later reply introduces the Lagrangian formalism as a potentially useful method for analyzing motion in a given potential but acknowledges it may be complex for some participants.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the approach to derive the period of oscillation, with some confirming the correctness of the derived formula. However, there is no explicit consensus on the best method to solve the problem, as different approaches are discussed.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about the integration process and the application of the simple harmonic oscillator model, indicating potential limitations in their understanding or the methods discussed.

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This discussion may be useful for students or individuals interested in classical mechanics, particularly those exploring oscillatory motion in quadratic potentials and various methods of analysis.

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Can someone tell me how to approach this problem?

Find the period of oscillation of a particle of mass m, constrained to move along the x-axis, with a potential V(x)= a+bx+cx2 for a small disturbance from the equilibrium position.
 
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Hi Idoubt! :smile:

What equations do you know relating the potential to the motion? :wink:
 
tiny-tim said:
Hi Idoubt! :smile:

What equations do you know relating the potential to the motion? :wink:

well only thing I can think of here is that F=-2cx-b
and also that T+U=E ( T= K.E, U=P.E, E=total energy) but this isn't in the simple harmonic oscillator form F=-kx so I don't know how to proceed from here.
 
How about a differential equation? :smile:
 
tiny-tim said:
How about a differential equation? :smile:

Well I thought about expressing the force equation in the terms of a phase angle like

x=x0cosa where x0 is the amplitude, and integrating and solving for a = 2pi , but uh I got a soup that I couldn't integrate :redface:
 
I solved the basic force equation md2x/dt2=-2cx-b and got the solution

x=Acos((2c/m)1/2t)+Bsin((2c/m)1/2t)+2c/b

In this it seems to me that (2c/m)1/2 is w the angular velocity

and if so since w=2pi/T the time period should pop out as

T=2pi(m/2c)1/2 , does that seem right?
 
yup … that's exactly right! :biggrin:

(btw, you could rewrite md2x/dt2=-2cx-b as d2(x+b/2c)/dt2=-(2c/m)(x+b/2c),

and in that form you can just read off T without having to find the general solution! :wink:)
 
Idoubt said:
Can someone tell me how to approach this problem?

Find the period of oscillation of a particle of mass m, constrained to move along the x-axis, with a potential V(x)= a+bx+cx2 for a small disturbance from the equilibrium position.

Idoubt said:
well only thing I can think of here is that F=-2cx-b
and also that T+U=E ( T= K.E, U=P.E, E=total energy) but this isn't in the simple harmonic oscillator form F=-kx so I don't know how to proceed from here.

V(x)= a+bx+cx2 is a parabola with a minimum (assuming that c>0) at x=-b/(2c). x=-b/(2c) is the equilibrium position.

Factror F=-2cx-b to get:

[tex]\displaystyle F=-2c\left(x-\left(-{{b}\over{2c}}\right)\right)[/tex]

This is in simple harmonic oscillator form. 2c is analogous to the spring constant, k.

You have, F = -k*u, where u=x+(b/(2c)) and k=2c.
 
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Thank you both, that makes it a lot clearer. Here the term x+b/2c is the actual displacement from the equilibrium position right? so the formula F=-kx is applicable only what x=0 is the equilibrium position.
 
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yes! :wink: and yes! :smile:
 
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I don't know if it will help you or confuse you more, but Lagrangian formalism is very useful for dealing with problems of motion in given potential. Take a look at Wikipedia article. If it looks too scary, never mind.
 

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