Outer product of flow velocities in Navier-Stokes equation

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the second term in the Navier-Stokes equation, specifically the outer product of flow velocities. Participants explore its physical interpretation, mathematical implications, and its relation to momentum flow within a control volume.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express confusion about the physical meaning of the outer product of flow velocities in the Navier-Stokes equation, despite understanding its mathematical definition.
  • One participant suggests that the usual interpretation of this term relates to the rate of flow of momentum into and out of a differential control volume.
  • Another participant proposes that the second term could be viewed as a vector version of divergence, indicating both the speed and overall direction of fluid movement.
  • A later reply elaborates that this term represents the divergence of the "momentum flux tensor," highlighting the difference between momentum flowing into and out of the control volume.
  • It is noted that if this term is moved to the other side of the equation, it would represent the net rate of momentum flowing into the control volume, contributing to a differential momentum balance.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the intuitive understanding of the term, with multiple interpretations and clarifications being offered without resolution of the underlying confusion.

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Some assumptions about the physical context and mathematical definitions are not explicitly stated, which may affect the clarity of the discussion.

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Reading the Wikipedia entry about the Navier–Stokes equation, and I don't understand this second term, the one with the outer product of the flow velocities. I mean, I understand the literal mathematical meaning, but I don't have an intuitive idea of what it physically represents. When I make up velocity fields and compute its value, I get something similar to the flow velocity but not exactly, and something related to divergence, but not exactly that either.
 

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snoopies622 said:
Reading the Wikipedia entry about the Navier–Stokes equation, and I don't understand this second term, the one with the outer product of the flow velocities. I mean, I understand the literal mathematical meaning, but I don't have an intuitive idea of what it physically represents. When I make up velocity fields and compute its value, I get something similar to the flow velocity but not exactly, and something related to divergence, but not exactly that either.
The usual interpretation of this term is the rate of flow of momentum into and out of a differential control volume.
 
Thanks Chestermiller, will give this some more thought and get back to you here.
 
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snoopies622 said:
Thanks Chestermiller, will give this some more thought and get back to you here.
I really like your avatar. Is that your pet?
 
Nah, just a cute doggie pick I found on line years ago. In other places I use a picture of a mug of hot cocoa.

So about the momentum flow . . Would you say that this second term is basically a kind of vector version of the divergence? Never thought about it before, but I suppose one could find not only how fast fluid is rushing away from a certain location but its overall net direction as well.
 
snoopies622 said:
Nah, just a cute doggie pick I found on line years ago. In other places I use a picture of a mug of hot cocoa.

So about the momentum flow . . Would you say that this second term is basically a kind of vector version of the divergence?
It's basically the divergence of the "momentum flux tensor." Physically, it represents the difference between the rate of momentum flowing out of the control volume and the rate of momentum flowing into the control volume. If we move it to the other side of the equation it will have a minus sign and, including the minus sign, it would represent the net rate of momentum flowing into the control volume. The term on the left side represents physically the rate of increase of momentum within the control volume. So the rate of increase of momentum within the control volume is equal to the net rate of momentum flowing into the control volume plus the various forces on the right hand side. The overall equation is basically a differential momentum balance (i.e., force balance/Newton's 2nd law) on the flow.
 
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