# Outlawing guns. *satire*

1. Apr 29, 2007

### drankin

Scotland: A Model for the Rest of Us

by Rob Blackstock

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After the terrible tragedy at Virginia Tech, it is time that we turned to an older, more civilized country as a role-model. I speak, of course, of Scotland. Scotland has long since evolved beyond such displays of violence as we saw in Blacksburg this past week.

A United Nations report has labeled Scotland the most violent country in the developed world, with people three times more likely to be assaulted than in America. England and Wales recorded the second highest number of violent assaults while Northern Ireland recorded the fewest.

The reason why is obvious: on March 13, 1996, a lone gunman entered the Dunblane, Scotland school gym and killed 16 children and their teacher. Within the next year handguns were made illegal in Britain bringing an end to gun violence in that ancient land.

The ban has had no discernible effect on gun crime, which has continued a steady rise dating back more than 25 years and which accounted for some 4,000 injuries in the UK last year [2006]. Immediately after the ban, the number of shootings actually went up and has stayed up, though the homicide rate, which is relatively low, has been almost unaffected. In Scotland, for instance, the rate of about eight killings a year by guns has remained the same despite the Dunblane ban.

Bravo for the Brits! Without guns, people are now safe to walk the streets.

[Dr. Ian] Holland and his colleagues operate on someone in Glasgow an average of every six hours, every day of the year. They try to fix the damage done by knives, razors, bats, fists, kicks and, very occasionally, innocent accidents. More than a thousand patients are sent to maxillofacial surgery every year as a result of violence in Glasgow alone – and the figure is rising. Only a fraction is reported to the police.

When will we Americans realize that the only way to make law-abiding people safe is to take away everyone’s guns?

Early indications, in the west [of Scotland] at least, suggest [crime statistics] will be up again in 2006-07, at least for murder – the easiest violent crime to count. There were 60 murders in Strathclyde between April and December 2006, 19 more than in the last nine months of 2005. Officially, reported attempted murders were up too – to nearly 300.

Without the guns, criminals are no longer able to hurt the innocent. Gang violence will come to an end.

[In Scotland, a] crackdown on the sale of swords has been launched as part of a campaign to tackle knife crime and violence….

The measures are the latest steps from the Scottish Executive to curb the problem of knife crime….

[Justice Minister Cathy] Jamieson said: "Knife-carrying is all too prevalent in some communities, particularly in the west of Scotland, and has cut short and scarred too many young lives.

"In these areas police, doctors and law-abiding citizens have seen the damaging effects of swords, including samurai swords, being wielded on the streets. "It is simply far too easy at present for these weapons to be bought and sold."

Other parts of the plan brought in under the Police, Public Order and Criminal Justice (Scotland) Act doubled the maximum penalty for carrying a knife to four years, gave police the unconditional power to search someone they suspect of carrying a weapon and increased the minimum age for buying a knife from 16 to 18.

[Detective Chief Superintendent] John Carnochan, head of the police's violence reduction unit, hailed the measures as "another major step forward in the fight against knife crime and violence". More than half the murders in Scotland each year are carried out with knives or other sharp weapons.

True, law-abiding people including women and the elderly will no longer have the means to defend themselves from the young, violent criminal once all guns are confiscated, but those people will no longer have a need for self-defense. Without the guns, there will be no violence from which to be protected.

3 per cent of Scots had been victims of assault compared with 1.2 per cent in America and just 0.1 per cent in Japan, 0.2 per cent in Italy and 0.8 per cent in Austria. In England and Wales the figure was 2.8 per cent.

Scotland has shown us all, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that removing guns solves the underlying problem. Today, Scotland is once more a picturesque land where you and your mates can gather for a peaceful pint at the local pub.

Glasses and bottles face being banned from Edinburgh's pubs and clubs under plans to tackle the soaring number of violent attacks fuelled by drink….

The move comes after the number of glass and bottle attacks in the city soared by 40 per cent last year….

A similar ban is about to be rolled out across Glasgow….

So allow me to raise a glass to my ancestral people, the Scots, and to say thank you. Thank you for showing us the result of outlawing guns. Peace, serenity and culture.

The machetes are worst. As heavy as they are sharp, they cleave cheeks and split jaws – mash faces. Victims never look the same again, their twisted smiles revealing the true scale of Scotland's toll of violent crime.

April 27, 2007

Rob Blackstock [send him mail] teaches economics at Louisiana Tech University and is the Senior Economist for American Economic Services.

2. Apr 29, 2007

### siddharth

This article, obviously, isn't the most neutral one on gun control. Anyway, I'll point out that the study which labeled Scotland the most violent country in the developed world, excluded murder [1]. There were 137 victims of homicides in Scotland in 04-05 [2], out of a population of 5 million.

On the other hand, look at Japan. Gun control in japan is one of the most stringent in the world, and it has a crime rate 30 times less.

So, it's really absurd to push a view point based on such a biased article.

[1] - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4257966.stm
[2] - http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/4527570.stm

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3. Apr 29, 2007

It seems that people are much more casual about guns in the us though. I could be wrong but it seems to me that I would be much more likely to hear someone explain to some cops in the US, "Well he was going to steal $30 from me, so I SHOT him" 4. Apr 29, 2007 ### drankin Agreed, but it is an interesting stat none-the-less. Maybe if us Westerners (with our own thousands of years of developed way of life) couldn't be a little more like the Japanese? It would just takes a monumental change of... culture! LOL Kind of negates your take of this being all that "absurd" IMO. 5. Apr 29, 2007 ### siddharth Maybe it would take a monumental change of culture, or, maybe it would take very stringent gun control laws with proper implementation. We don't know. You mean, 230 years. No, it isn't. In my opinion, It is indeed absurd trying to push a point of view on such a biased article. I'm quite sure I could find equally biased articles pushing the gun control view. Last edited: Apr 29, 2007 6. Apr 29, 2007 ### drankin It's not so much that he stole$30 but how did he go about it? Did he break into your home putting your family in danger? Did he simply snatch your wallet? In the US (in most states that I'm aware of) your life or otheres has to be threatened. Basically, self-defense.

More innocent folks are injured or killed than bad guys. Probably a factor of 10-1 (or more). America movies are fun to watch but they are fiction.

7. Apr 29, 2007

### drankin

Ok, I call your bluff. In the spirit of debate of course. I promise to be civil. :)

8. Apr 29, 2007

### siddharth

Here's a research article on Firearms and Violence, by Jeffrey A. Roth. IMO, this one isn't biased at all.

http://sun.soci.niu.edu/~critcrim/guns/gun.viol

Here's another article
http://www.asahi-net.or.jp/~zj5j-gttl/guns.htm

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9. Apr 29, 2007

### drankin

I agree Sid, more guns among the people, more people are going to be killed by them.

So that goes to the argument, let's outlaw the guns and they will be less prevalent. They will be less prevailent over time, no doubt. But who suffers? The law abiding gun owner. He will be the first to surrender his firearm. Meanwhile...

Basically, I' didn't mean to bring up how things are run in Scotland, it was more of an discussion on US gun ownership.

And that is the premise other than the "Constitutional" argument. Which will always be relevant in the US as well. But we should leave that out for the sake of this discussion.

I found it interesting in one of the articles you posted about how they need to work on the "knife culture" that has developed in Scotland. Based on their statistics, if they had a prohibition of alcohol, their violent assaults might diminish as much as 60%.

My point being, it's not so much the weapon that is the problem. But, I do acknowledge that guns are more dangerous than knifes when wielded by someone who has violent intent.

*edit" Excuse some of the discontinuety of the grammar, tis late.

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10. Apr 29, 2007

### Kurdt

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The guy that wrote the original article should be aware that there are many other factors which affect violent crime rates, such as the socio-economic status of a country.

11. Apr 29, 2007

### JoAuSc

Let's not forget about Switzerland. It has about 3 million guns in a population of 7-8 million, but it has a relatively low rate of gun-related crimes (if I remember correctly). Of course, their gun culture is different from many nations: every man must serve in the military for a period of time, and you get to keep the gun you get in the military, so I'm guessing the gun culture is much more formal than the gun culture of America.

12. Apr 29, 2007

### Ki Man

no... look at history. anyone remember the US Prohibition?

13. Apr 30, 2007

### drankin

14. Apr 30, 2007