How Is the First-Order Equation of Motion Derived in a Damped System?

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The discussion focuses on deriving the first-order equation of motion in a damped system, specifically addressing the equation presented in a referenced paper. Participants explore the implications of drag forces that are proportional to velocity, which dominate over acceleration terms in overdamped systems. The conversation highlights the necessity of including drag in Newton's second law for particles, leading to a modified equation of motion. It is noted that the dimensional consistency of the equation in the paper can be achieved by introducing dimensionless parameters. Overall, the derivation hinges on understanding the balance between drag and other forces in the system.
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In the paper
http://fmc.unizar.es/people/juanjo/papers/falo93.pdf

how it is possible to obtain equation of motion which is first order in time

\dot{u}_{j}=u_{j+1}+u_{j-1}-2u_j-\frac{K}{2\pi}\sin(2\pi u_j)+F(t)
How to obtain this equation of first order?
 
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It is likely a typo.
 
No it is not. You have this in many papers.
 
If it is not, there must be additional underlying assumptions, such as a drag force proportional to velocity which is dominating over the acceleration term.
 
Could you write this down as relation?
 
They even state that the system is overdamped before the equation.
 
Yes I know that. But I am trying to figure out what that means, or how them got this equation?
 
Are you at all familiar what the term overdamped means?
 
Not really.
 
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So what happens to Newton's second law for particle i if, in addition to the external forces acting on each particle, tell you that there is also a drag force proportional to (but with a negative coefficient) the velocity of the particle? What approximations can you then do if I tell you that this force is generally much larger than the term ##ma## on the right-hand side?
 
  • #11
If I understand you well there is equation with second ##\ddot{u}_j## and first derivative ##\dot{u_j}## such that term ##C\dot{u}_j## is dominant if it is compared with ##\ddot{u}_j##. But I am really not sure what is the form of equation before that approximation?
 
  • #12
LagrangeEuler said:
But I am really not sure what is the form of equation before that approximation?

What does Newton's second law for the ith particle look like?
 
  • #13
m_ia=\sum F
m_ia=-V'(u)+F(t)+F_{el_{i,i+1}}+F_{el_{i,i-1}}
where ##F_{el}## is elastic force between the particles. Right?
 
  • #14
You forgot the drag term which we just talked about.
 
  • #15
m_ia=\sum F
m\ddot{u}=-V'(u)+F(t)+F_{el_{i,i+1}}+F_{el_{i,i-1}}-C\dot{u}
where ##F_{el}## is elastic force between the particles. Right?
So why I have this drag term?
 
  • #16
LagrangeEuler said:
So why I have this drag term?
Uhmmm, because there is drag in the model? Generally drag results from a resistance to movement due to dissipation of energy to the environment. Think air resistance. The form of the drag will depend on the Reynold's number. The linear drag is usually valid for relatively small velocities. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drag_(physics)
 
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Thanks a lot!
 
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Now just one thing. Equation should be
m\ddot{u}=-V'(u)+F(t)+F_{el_{i,i+1}}+F_{el_{i,i-1}}-C\dot{u}
So if ##C\dot{u}>>m\ddot{u}## then
C\dot{u}=-V'(u)+F(t)+F_{el_{i,i+1}}+F_{el_{i,i-1}}
or equation in paper should be
C\dot{u_j}=u_{j+1}+u_{j-1}-2u_j-V'(u_j)+F(t)
Why ##C=1##?
 
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You will notice that the equation as it stands in the paper does not make sense dimensionally if t and x have dimensions. However, you can always introduce dimensionless parameters by scaling with a constant of the appropriate dimensions. This can be done in such a way that C becomes equal to one. (Take s = t/C. This gives d/ds = (dt/ds) d/dt = C d/dt.)
 
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