Parametric Description of a Plane

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The discussion revolves around the parametric description of a plane, specifically the equation that defines a plane using a point and two vectors. Participants explore the meaning of the parameters involved and how to apply the equation in different contexts.

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  • One participant presents the parametric equation of a plane as a combination of a point and two vectors, seeking clarification on its components and usage.
  • Another participant explains that a plane can also be defined by three non-collinear points, suggesting that the parametric form is equivalent to this definition.
  • It is noted that any two vectors must lie in a common plane and can define a set of parallel planes.
  • A concrete example is provided, illustrating how to navigate from one point to another within the plane using the parameters t and s along the defined vectors.
  • Further clarification is offered regarding the relationship between the parametric equation of a plane and those of lines and surfaces, indicating that more parameters are needed for higher-dimensional constructs.

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Participants generally agree on the validity of the parametric description of a plane and its equivalence to other definitions, but there is no explicit consensus on the best approach to understand or apply the equation.

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The discussion includes various interpretations of the parametric equation and its applications, with some participants providing examples that may depend on specific assumptions about the vectors and points involved.

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I read the definition that a plane is a point and two vectors with the equation being plane sum = {OP + tv + sw} where v and w are vectors and t and s are real numbers. This is called the parametric description of the plane. I haven't seen the equation in this form before though.

Can someone explain what these values stand for/how to use this equation or direct me to a page that explains it? I just see the regular plane equation when I google this.
 
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You are aware that a plane can be defined by three points that are not co-linear?
This form is just the same - using two pairs of points to form the two vectors.

Any two vectors ##\vec v## and ##\vec w## must lie in a common plane.
In fact, they can define a set of parallel planes.

The parametric equation is just the instructions to get to another point in the plane starting from where you are at.

i.e. If point ##P## is in the plane defined by the above vectors, then you can get from there to point ##Q##, also in the pane, by starting out at ##P## and walking ##t## steps of size ##v## in the direction of ##\vec v##, then turning to the direction of ##\vec w## and walking ##s## steps of size ##w## in that direction.

In maths that is: ##Q=P+t\vec v + s\vec w##

Concrete example:$$\begin{pmatrix}x\\y\\z\end{pmatrix}=\begin{pmatrix}1\\-1\\2\end{pmatrix}+t\begin{pmatrix}3\\4\\0\end{pmatrix}+s\begin{pmatrix}-1\\0\\0\end{pmatrix}$$... tells you how to get to point (x,y,z) from point (1,-1,1) using (3,4,0) and (-1,0,0) as cardinal directions.

i.e. you want to get to (x,y)=(8,8), then t=2 and s=-1
so you must travel 10 units along the hypotenuse of the 3-4-5 triangle, then 1 unit parallel to the x-axis.

Notice that the plane in the example is parallel to the cartesian x-y plane, and have expressed the vectors in cartesian coordinates. I don't have to.

The directions done this way basically translate the (t,s) coordinates for positions on the plane to (x,y,z) cartesian coordinates ...
 
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Simon Bridge said:
You are aware that a plane can be defined by three points that are not co-linear?
This form is just the same - using two pairs of points to form the two vectors.

Any two vectors ##\vec v## and ##\vec w## must lie in a common plane.
In fact, they can define a set of parallel planes.

The parametric equation is just the instructions to get to another point in the plane starting from where you are at.

i.e. If point ##P## is in the plane defined by the above vectors, then you can get from there to point ##Q##, also in the pane, by starting out at ##P## and walking ##t## steps of size ##v## in the direction of ##\vec v##, then turning to the direction of ##\vec w## and walking ##s## steps of size ##w## in that direction.

In maths that is: ##Q=P+t\vec v + s\vec w##

Concrete example - (x,y)=(1,-1)+t(3,4)+s(1,0) tells you how to get to point (x,y) from point (1,-1) using (3,4) and (1,0) as cardinal directions.

i.e. you want to get to (x,y)=(8,8), then t=2 and s=1
so you must travel 10 units along the hypotenuse of the 3-4-5 triangle, then 1 unit parallel to the x-axis.

Thanks. That cleared it up. I had never thought of Q like that, but it really helped.
 
No worries.
Similarly the parametric equation for a line is ##Q=P+s\vec v## and for a 3D volume you need three parameters.
It gets more fun when you use surfaces instead of planes - those are allowed to curve.
 

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