Parametric Surfaces Homework Help

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around the topic of parametric surfaces in three-dimensional space. Participants are exploring how to express points on a surface using parameters and vectors, particularly focusing on the relationship between Cartesian coordinates and the parameters involved.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are attempting to identify a point on the surface by setting parameters to zero and are questioning how to derive expressions for the coordinates in terms of those parameters. There are discussions about the nature of vectors that define the plane and how to express the surface in a specific form.

Discussion Status

The conversation is ongoing, with participants sharing their thoughts on how to approach the problem. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of vectors and the structure of the surface, but there is still confusion about the derivation of certain expressions and the necessity of specific forms.

Contextual Notes

Participants are grappling with the definitions of the vectors involved and how they relate to the given point on the surface. There is also a mention of textbook solutions that introduce vectors without clear derivation, leading to further questions about their origin and relevance.

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Homework Statement



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Homework Equations


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The Attempt at a Solution


so to start this off, I choose a random point, by setting u and v = 0

giving me the point (0,3,1) but I have no idea how what to do next.

how do I find ua and vb?
 
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Thinking directly, ##a## and ##b## must be to vectors lying on the plane. Maybe you can set they start at ##r_0,## that is your ##(0,3,1)## and find any two independent vector to structure the plane.
 
tommyxu3 said:
Thinking directly, ##a## and ##b## must be to vectors lying on the plane. Maybe you can set they start at ##r_0,## that is your ##(0,3,1)## and find any two independent vector to structure the plane.
sorry, a bit confused. do I plug in more numbers for v and u?
 
##v## and ##u## then are parameter. Selected ##a## and ##b## will dominate the form of the plane.
 
goonking said:

Homework Statement



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Homework Equations


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The Attempt at a Solution


so to start this off, I choose a random point, by setting u and v = 0

giving me the point (0,3,1) but I have no idea how what to do next.

how do I find ua and vb?

If ##(x,y,z)## are the cartesian coordinates of a point on the surface, how do you express the values of ##x##, ##y## and ##z## in terms of the parameters ##u## and ##v##? Can you use those expressions to re-write the surface in the form ##z = a + b x + cy##?
 
Ray Vickson said:
If ##(x,y,z)## are the cartesian coordinates of a point on the surface, how do you express the values of ##x##, ##y## and ##z## in terms of the parameters ##u## and ##v##? Can you use those expressions to re-write the surface in the form ##z = a + b x + cy##?

how did you think of the form ##z = a + b x + cy##? does the surface have to be in that form?
 
goonking said:
how did you think of the form ##z = a + b x + cy##? does the surface have to be in that form?
anyway, the textbook came up with
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= <0,3,1> + u<1,0,4> + v<1,-1,5> and I have no idea how they came up with u<1,0,4> and v<1,-1,5>.

how are they coming up with vectors with just a given point?!
 
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goonking said:
anyway, the textbook came up with
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= <0,3,1> + u<1,0,4> + v<1,-1,5> and I have no idea how they came up with u<1,0,4> and v<1,-1,5>.

how are they coming up with vectors with just a given point?!

What are ##\bf{i}, \bf{j}## and ##\bf{k}##?
 
Ray Vickson said:
What are ##\bf{i}, \bf{j}## and ##\bf{k}##?
i = <0,3,1>
j= u<1,0,4>
k=v<1,-1,5>
 
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They are unit vectors on the three dimension instead of what you say. The solution makes it to the form to match the required.
 

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