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The discussion focuses on transforming the second derivatives of a function u with respect to Cartesian coordinates (x, y) into polar coordinates (r, θ) using the chain rule in partial derivatives. Participants emphasize the importance of calculating the first partial derivatives, specifically ∂u/∂r and ∂u/∂θ, before proceeding to the second partial derivatives ∂²u/∂r² and ∂²u/∂θ². A diagram illustrating the relationships between variables is recommended to clarify the transformation process.

PREREQUISITES
  • Understanding of partial derivatives and their notation
  • Familiarity with the chain rule in calculus
  • Knowledge of polar coordinates and their relationship to Cartesian coordinates
  • Basic skills in mathematical diagramming for variable relationships
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  • Study the transformation of variables from Cartesian to polar coordinates in calculus
  • Learn about the application of the chain rule in multiple dimensions
  • Explore examples of second-order partial derivatives in polar coordinates
  • Practice drawing diagrams to visualize relationships between variables in multivariable calculus
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Students and educators in calculus, particularly those focusing on multivariable functions and transformations between coordinate systems. This discussion is beneficial for anyone seeking to deepen their understanding of partial derivatives in polar coordinates.

shivam jain
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Homework Statement




let u be a function of x and y.using x=rcosθ y=rsinθ,transform the following expressions in the terms of partial derivatives with respect to polar coordinates:(d^u/dx^2(double derivative of u with respect to x)+d^2u/dy^2(double derivative of u with respect to y)

Homework Equations


chain rule in partial derivatives


The Attempt at a Solution


first i differentiated u with respect to theta by using chain rule and then with respect to r also by using chain rule.first has no r term wheras 2nd has r terms so no way the terms can cancel also.please tell me how to proceed or method i should use to solve this problem
 
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shivam jain said:

Homework Statement




let u be a function of x and y.using x=rcosθ y=rsinθ,transform the following expressions in the terms of partial derivatives with respect to polar coordinates:(d^u/dx^2(double derivative of u with respect to x)+d^2u/dy^2(double derivative of u with respect to y)
Are these the partials you need to find?

$$ \frac{\partial^2 u}{\partial r^2}~ \text{and}~\frac{\partial^2 u}{\partial^2 \theta}$$

If so, what did you get for these first partials?
$$ \frac{\partial u}{\partial r}$$
$$ \frac{\partial u}{\partial \theta}$$

For problems like this I find it helpful to draw a diagram of the relationships between all the variables.
Code:
      x ------ θ
 /
u
  \  y -------r

Although I can't show them, there are also lines between x and r and between y and θ.

The idea is that there are two ways to get from u to θ (through x and y), and there are two ways to get from u to r (also through x and y). This helps to get across the idea that each partial involves the sum of two terms.

Using subscripts to indicate partials, and letting u = f(x, y), we have
uθ = fx * xθ + fy * yθ, and
ur = fx * xr + fy * yr

To get the second partials (we don't call them double partials), you need to differentiate uθ with respect to θ, and differentiate ur with respect to r.

shivam jain said:

Homework Equations


chain rule in partial derivatives


The Attempt at a Solution


first i differentiated u with respect to theta by using chain rule and then with respect to r also by using chain rule.first has no r term wheras 2nd has r terms so no way the terms can cancel also.please tell me how to proceed or method i should use to solve this problem
 

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