Particle creation in an accelerating Universe?

[johne1618]

Hi,

I am interested to hear what people think of the following argument that in an accelerating Universe virtual particles that are separated by the Hubble radius R(t) or more cannot annihilate and thus become real particles. Thus, by the uncertainty principle, particle pairs with energy E \approx h c / R(t) are continually being created in an accelerating Universe giving it an intrinsic temperature that is inversely proportional to its Hubble radius.

Let us assume that, at cosmological time t_s, a particle-antiparticle pair pops into existence separated by a distance d_s.

The particle pair will annihilate in the time it takes a light signal to travel between them.

If the proper separation distance expands faster or at the same rate as the light signal proper path distance then the particle pair will never annihilate.

Let us consider the situation at the "present" cosmological time t_p.

Assume that the scale factor is given by a(t) where a(t_p) = 1.

The proper separation distance of the particles at time t_p is given by

\Large D(t_p) = \frac{a(t_p)\ d_s}{a(t_s)}.

Now if a light signal is emitted from one particle at time t_s, the proper distance it will have traveled by time t_p is given by

\Large P(t_p) = \int^{t_p}_{t_s} \frac{a(t_p)\ c\ dt}{a(t)}.

A sufficient condition for the target particle to escape from the light signal is given by

\Large \frac{d D(t_p)}{d t_p} \ge \frac{d P(t_p)}{d t_p} for all t_p.

Substituting into the above condition we find

\Large \frac{\dot{a}(t_p) d_s}{a(t_s)} \ge c

Let us assume that \dot{a}(t) is a monotonically increasing function i.e. that \ddot{a} \ge 0 so that the expansion of the Universe is accelerating.

Then a sufficent condition for the particles not to annihilate is given by

\Large \frac{\dot{a}(t_s)d_s}{a(t_s)} \ge c

As the Hubble parameter at time t_s is given by

\Large H(t_s) = \frac{\dot{a}(t_s)}{a(t_s)}

and the Hubble radius at time t_s is given by

\Large R(t_s) = \frac{c}{H(t_s)}

we find, finally, that in an accelerating Universe a sufficient condition for the particles to avoid annihilation is that their initial separation at time t_s, d_s, should obey the relationship

\Large d_s \ge R_s

where R_s is the Hubble radius at time t_s.

John

 

[Naty1]

Interesting first line premise. [That's as far as I read to avoid the math intracacies...

Do you know how your assumptions apply to an Unruh or Black Hole horizon?? [I do not.]

On one hand I don't buy it because the Hubble radius, if it's the distance beyond which objects recede from the observer at a rate greater than the speed of light, because supposedly it's not a 'horizon'...but I also have doubts about that perspective...
The Hubble radius seems a lot like the Unruh effect 'horizon' to a novice like me so I'll be interested if experts weigh in here and offer some insights. Your argument also seems to work 'intutively' at the horizon of a black hole regarding Hawking radiation, so I'll try to do a little homework on this.

Maybe I should go read just what a horizon 'is'...
edit: oh,yeah...here is a source I have seen before...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Event_horizon#Particle_horizon_of_the_observable_universe

which I did not find terribly useful.

Tt would be wonderful if someone could compare the Hubble radius with, say a Schwarzschild radius and Unruh horizon distance...as similarities and distinctions, if they are known.

 

[Naty1]

If you haven't seen this discussion:

What is a particle:
https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=386051

check out my first originating post...It briefly summarizes a Rovelli paper 'What is a particle? from a QFT perspective...and seems to provide some complementary insights regarding your question here...

 

[Chalnoth]

Sounds like you've got sort of the right idea, but not exactly. The issue is that whether or not you get Hawking Radiation depends upon whether or not you have a cosmological horizon. And whether or not you have a cosmological horizon depends upon the contents of the universe: it isn't a function of the instantaneous expansion rate at any given time, but on the entire expansion history.

So what this comes down to in the end is, is there a cosmological horizon, and how big is it? The temperature of the Hawking Radiation that results is, just as with black holes, inversely proportional to the square root of the area of the horizon.

 

[johne1618]

Sounds like you've got sort of the right idea, but not exactly. The issue is that whether or not you get Hawking Radiation depends upon whether or not you have a cosmological horizon. And whether or not you have a cosmological horizon depends upon the contents of the universe: it isn't a function of the instantaneous expansion rate at any given time, but on the entire expansion history.

So what this comes down to in the end is, is there a cosmological horizon, and how big is it? The temperature of the Hawking Radiation that results is, just as with black holes, inversely proportional to the square root of the area of the horizon.

The Wikipedia article:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Event_horizon

defines an event horizon as:

An event horizon is a boundary in spacetime beyond which events cannot affect an outside observer.

I am venturing a definition of a cosmological horizon as the boundary of a sphere centred on us whose proper radius cannot ever be traversed by a light signal sent from us.

Provided the Universe always has a non-negative acceleration (this is the condition on the expansion history) the radius of this horizon is equal to the Hubble radius.

I think my definition gives a concrete meaning to the Hubble radius.

 

[johne1618]

If you haven't seen this discussion:

What is a particle:
https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=386051

check out my first originating post...It briefly summarizes a Rovelli paper 'What is a particle? from a QFT perspective...and seems to provide some complementary insights regarding your question here...

The discussion about global particle states only being well-defined in a flat spacetime is very interesting.

I strongly favour the "coasting cosmology" in which the Universal scale factor, a(t), is strictly linear.

This allows us to have an expanding Universe with a flat spacetime with no Big Bang singularity at all.

I presume global particle states would therefore be well defined in such a cosmology.

In such a cosmology one would have a cosmological horizon whose radius is constant in co-moving cordinates.

The Universe could then be continuously filled with particles created by the Unruh-like mechanism that I have described above.

 

[Chalnoth]

Provided the Universe always has a non-negative acceleration the radius of this horizon is equal to the Hubble radius at the present cosmological time.

No, this isn't true. It reduces to this only in a universe that has nothing but cosmological constant. We also have matter. Since our universe is currently about 70% cosmological constant (assuming it is a cosmological constant...), this isn't too bad of an approximation at the moment. But it would have been a horrible approximation billions of years ago.

 

[Chalnoth]

I strongly favour the "coasting cosmology" in which the Universal scale factor, a(t), is strictly linear.

A coasting cosmology is ruled out by observation. Also by the simple fact that our universe has matter in it.

 

[johne1618]

A coasting cosmology is ruled out by observation. Also by the simple fact that our universe has matter in it.

A coasting cosmology can have matter in it as long as the resulting gravitational attraction is balanced by the gravitational repulsion of a scalar field with an equation of state given by

\Large p = -\frac{\rho c^2}{3}

It is true that a linear cosmology is disfavoured by the current data but I understand that an open cosmology with a power law scale factor with \alpha \approx 1.3 fits the current data well.

See:

http://arxiv.org/abs/0804.3491

 

[johne1618]

A coasting cosmology can have matter in it as long as the resulting gravitational attraction is balanced by the gravitational repulsion of a scalar field with an equation of state given by

\Large p = -\frac{\rho c^2}{3}

It is true that a linear cosmology is disfavoured by the current data but I understand that an open cosmology with a power law scale factor with \alpha \approx 1.3 fits the current data well.

See:

http://arxiv.org/abs/0804.3491

Here is a maximum entropy argument in favour of a linear (or near linear) cosmology.

Let us assume the scale factor is given by a power law

\large a(t) \propto t^\alpha,

where \alpha \ge 1 for a non-decelerating Universe.

The Hubble radius is given by

\large R_H = \frac{c}{H(t)}.

For a power law scale factor we have

\large H(t) = \frac{\dot{a}}{a} = \frac{\alpha}{t}

so that the Hubble radius is given by

\large R_H = \frac{ct}{\alpha}.

If our Universe is accelerating (or strictly non-decelerating) then I have proposed that it is bounded by a spherical cosmological horizon at radius R_H.

According to the ideas of Bekenstein et al. the maximum entropy, S_{max}, inside a volume is proportional to its surface area.

Therefore

\large S_{max} \propto R_H^2

and thus

\large S_{max} \propto \frac{t^2}{\alpha^2}.

If we want to assume that this maximum entropy bound is itself maximised then we should assume that \alpha = 1 so that we are led to a linear scale law:

\large a(t) \propto t

according to which the radius of the cosmological horizon, R_H, being linear itself, is constant in co-moving co-ordinates and thus can act as a "true" boundary to our Universe containing all its constituents forever.

 

[Naty1]

johne...great subject..keep going!

As I noted already, the relationship between your post, Unruh and Hawking radiation has stumped me for quite a while...

A few comments and questions:

Chalnoth posted:

The temperature of the Hawking Radiation that results is, just as with black holes, inversely proportional to the square root of the area of the horizon.

Sounds good, seems correct [according to Hawking and Beckenstein, good enough for me!] and seems to correlate to this idea:

In semiclassical general relativity, pair production is also invoked to explain the Hawking radiation effect. According to quantum mechanics, at short scales short-lived [virtual] particle-pairs are constantly appearing and disappearing (see quantum foam); in a region of strong gravitational tidal forces, the two particles in a pair may sometimes be wrenched apart before they have a chance to mutually annihilate. When this happens in the region around a black hole, one particle may escape, with its antiparticle being captured by the hole...this particle outside the horizon is observed as a real particle.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pair_creation

From these I conclude that not much radiation would be expected from a huge 'Hubble horizon' area# ...What gravity is there seems feeble to 'wrench' apart much...and from the principle that there are no preferred observers it would seem to follow that an accelerating Unruh observer would have a similar if not identical 'cosmological horizon' as proposed by johne...?? Why would these be different??

#Penrose says black hole Hawking radiation is 'ridiculously' small so I shall call Hubble sphere radiation 'ridiculously, ridiculously' small!]

Is it a coordinate based difference:
Apparently the typical Unruh effect involves Rindler coordinates while a [no spinning no charge] black hole is typically Scwarszchild coordinates...while Hubble stuff relates to the Lamda CDM model (right? ] ..and aparently the FLRW metric ...which is not even specifically tied to the equations of general relativity... Coupling this with the idea that globally particles may not be so well defined in curved spacetime gets my brain cells spinning...

What constitutes 'inside' a horizon, where real particle energy is negative, and outside where real particle energy is positive?? How do I know which side I am on... With Hubble spheres, your outside might be my inside...do we care?

johne:

If the proper separation distance expands faster or at the same rate as the light signal proper path distance then the particle pair will never annihilate.

There was a discussion here , this year I think, about that issue at a black hole horizon, it's interpretation, but I can't find it...Can anybody link to the location?

 

[Chalnoth]

A coasting cosmology can have matter in it as long as the resulting gravitational attraction is balanced by the gravitational repulsion of a scalar field with an equation of state given by

\Large p = -\frac{\rho c^2}{3}

No, this isn't true. A universe with a scalar field of that sort would tend towards a coasting cosmology in the future. In the previous matter and radiation-dominated regimes, it would be decelerating just as our universe was in the past. Such a universe cannot describe the observational evidence we see, which constrains w to be very close to -1.

It is true that a linear cosmology is disfavoured by the current data but I understand that an open cosmology with a power law scale factor with \alpha \approx 1.3 fits the current data well.

See:

http://arxiv.org/abs/0804.3491

Trivial curve fitting like this is just nonsensical when we have real, physical models for how the universe behaves. I would also like to point out that they make use of the weakest set of cosmological data we have available to make this claim. I can basically guarantee you that if you combined this with the much stronger constraints from the CMB and baryon acoustic oscillations, you would get a very different result (i.e. that this cosmology just flat-out does not work).

 

[johne1618]

No, this isn't true. A universe with a scalar field of that sort would tend towards a coasting cosmology in the future. In the previous matter and radiation-dominated regimes, it would be decelerating just as our universe was in the past. Such a universe cannot describe the observational evidence we see, which constrains w to be very close to -1.

I am assuming a model of the Universe in which space is always flat, the cosmological constant is zero, and the scale factor is given by

a(t) \propto t.

The Friedmann equations then imply that the density of mass/energy is given by

\rho \propto \frac{1}{a^2}.

This is not the standard Big Bang model in which a fixed amount of matter and radiation is created at the beginning of the Universe and is then diluted by the expanding 3-d space so that \rho_m \propto 1/a^3 and \rho_{rad} \propto 1/a^4 respectively.

Instead, in the linear model, matter/radiation is created continuously throughout the Universe's lifetime. In fact one can show that the total mass of the Universe in this model, M, is proportional to the Hubble radius which in turn is proportional to the scale factor so that we have

M \propto a

so that the density of mass/energy is given by

\rho = \frac{M}{V} \propto \frac{a}{a^3} \propto \frac{1}{a^2}.

 

[Chalnoth]

I am assuming a model of the Universe in which space is always flat, the cosmological constant is zero, and the scale factor is given by

a(t) \propto t.

The Friedmann equations then imply that the density of mass/energy is given by

\rho \propto \frac{1}{a^2}.

Okay. This is not the universe we live in.

This is not the standard Big Bang model in which a fixed amount of matter and radiation is created at the beginning of the Universe and is then diluted by the expanding 3-d space so that \rho_m \propto 1/a^3 and \rho_{rad} \propto 1/a^4 respectively.

And the universe we observe has matter and radiation in it. We can measure their amounts.

 

[johne1618]

And the universe we observe has matter and radiation in it. We can measure their amounts.

Yes, but I think that the standard model is assuming that the total amount of matter/radiation was fixed at the time of the Big Bang.

The linear model that I am describing implies that the total amount of matter/radiation increases linearly with time - a continuous creation rather than an instantaneous creation.

 

[Chalnoth]

Yes, but I think that the standard model is assuming that the total amount of matter/radiation was fixed at the time of the Big Bang.

The linear model that I am describing implies that the total amount of matter/radiation increases linearly with time - a continuous creation rather than an instantaneous creation.

And that model doesn't fit reality.

 

[bapowell]

Apparently the typical Unruh effect involves Rindler coordinates while a [no spinning no charge] black hole is typically Scwarszchild coordinates...while Hubble stuff relates to the Lamda CDM model (right? ] ..and aparently the FLRW metric ...which is not even specifically tied to the equations of general relativity... Coupling this with the idea that globally particles may not be so well defined in curved spacetime gets my brain cells spinning...

Gravitational particle production by accelerated expansion is what gives rise to the primordial perturbations (except in modern parlance we no longer speak of particles, but fluctuations.) The idea is usually pitched in terms of particle/anti-particle pairs that pop out of the vacuum, only to get pulled apart by the rapidly inflating background. Eventually they are pulled outside the horizon, never to meet again. Of course, this description has the same conceptual shortcomings as the description of the Hawking effect in terms of particle/anti-particle pairs -- it isn't quite right.

The easiest way to "see" how inflationary spacetimes lead to particle production (more precisely, have a de Sitter temperature), is to observe that physical length scales, \lambda\sim a(t), grow at a faster rate than the Hubble scale, d_H \sim H^{-1} when the universe is accelerating (w < -1/3)
\frac{d}{dt}\left(\frac{d_H}{\lambda}\right) = \frac{d}{dt}\left(\frac{1}{aH}\right) \propto 1+3w
In the case of pure de Sitter expansion, H = const, so that d_H is shrinking in comoving coordinates and the above expression is < 0. Physically, the \lambda here is the wavelength of a Fourier mode comprising a quantum fluctuation: once it gets stretched so that \lambda&gt;d_H, it becomes frozen-in as a classical perturbation.

That's the quick story. It's a nice exercise though to work through the evolution of a scalar field fluctuation during inflation, from its birth in the vacuum out to superhorizon scales if you haven't done it. What you find once you've done this is that you end up with a spectrum of perturbations across a range of length scales. For a massless scalar, you find that the amplitude of the fluctuation at horizon crossing is H/2\pi. This should look familiar.

 

[Naty1]

Ben..thanks for the reply...

...The idea is usually pitched in terms of particle/anti-particle pairs that pop out of the vacuum, only to get pulled apart by the rapidly inflating background. it isn't quite right.

right, I have seen a statement from Hawking that said the explanation, which he used, was an 'intuitive argument' not one that flows directly from his own mathematics.

Does your online website have any descriptive background? Would you post that link again, I have it somewhere in my notes...
found it: http://www.lightandmatter.com/html_books/0sn/ch07/ch07.html


and can you suggest any reading that is not purely mathematical on horizons and particle production...
the concept that gravity, or equivalently, acceleration [which seems even crazier] can 'create matter' [particles] is interesting enough that I'd splurge on another used Amazon book!

I've never seen any material that compares the three horizon's production of particles..only the 'similarity' between Hawking black hole and Unruh particles 'popping out'...I've read that a black hole horizon is 'global' but I am unsure what that means mathematically, and have no idea if that's true for other horizons we discuss...Unruh and cosmological...

edit:

"... the evolution of a scalar field fluctuation during inflation, from its birth in the vacuum out to superhorizon scales ..."

Is this 'cool physics jibber jabber' for 'particle'?

"For a massless scalar, you find that the amplitude of the fluctuation at horizon crossing is H/2π . This should look familiar..."

If so, I am in BIG trouble!

 

[bapowell]

I think you might have me confused with bcrowell (understandable, of course.) I'm Brian. There are several good books out there on the subject of gravitational particle production, but I think they're all rather mathematical (although not "purely"). One that I've not personally read but have heard is good is "Introduction to Quantum Effects in Gravity" by Mukhanov and Winitzki. Then there is the classic "Quantum Fields in Curved Space" by Birrell and Davies -- they have several examples of particle creation from expanding spacetimes. Almost all recent cosmology texts that cover inflationary perturbations will likely discuss this result, but I'm not sure of any off-hand that actually go through the calculation. "Cosmological Inflation..." by Liddle and Lyth talk about it, but I'm not the biggest fan of that book.

 

[Naty1]

I think you might have me confused with bcrowell (understandable, of course.) I'm Brian.

definitely!...thanks for the suggestions...and I have almost gotten you two mixed up previously...

 

[Naty1]

johne...another thread you might find of interest regarding particle creation:

Unruh Effect:
https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?p=3749122&posted=1#post3749122

 

[johne1618]

Apparently an experiment has been performed that demonstrates the "Dynamical Casimir Effect".

http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/2011/nov/17/how-to-turn-darkness-into-light

The dynamical effect was proposed by Gerald Moore in 1970 and is caused by a mismatch of modes in time. The phase of an electromagnetic wave goes to zero at the surface of a mirror, if that mirror is a perfect electrical conductor. When the mirror is moved slowly through a vacuum, this zero point can move with the mirror. However, if the mirror is moved at a significant fraction of the speed of light, then the electromagnetic field does not have time to adjust but instead becomes excited and as a result generates real photons. Put another way, the mirror prises virtual photons (always produced in pairs) apart so that instead of rapidly annihilating, the particles are free to remain as real photons.

If you substitute "expanding space" for "moving mirror" you have the mechanism I am proposing for particle creation in an expanding Universe.

 

[Chalnoth]

If you substitute "expanding space" for "moving mirror" you have the mechanism I am proposing for particle creation in an expanding Universe.

But you can't substitute those two. They're very different things.