Parts of a cuboid after n cuts

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The discussion revolves around finding a recursive formula for the number of parts of a cuboid after n cuts. The user has identified a pattern in the number of parts after several cuts but seeks a formula that applies universally, including for n=0, 1, and 2. A response clarifies that the user initially presented a recursive formula but is actually looking for a non-recursive solution. The suggestion includes finding general solutions to the complementary equation and proposing a polynomial as a particular solution. The user expresses confusion about the applicability of their current formula for lower values of n and seeks further clarification.
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Homework Statement


I have been asked to find a recursive formula for the number of parts of a cuboid after n cuts, and then prove my formula.


The Attempt at a Solution


I have through a 3D drawing program figured out a the number of parts after 8 cuts
cuts, parts
1,2
2,4
3,8
4,15
5,25
6,38
7,54
8,73

I have noticed a relationship for n >2, which is that R(n+1)=2R(n) - (R(n-1)+3)
However I am looking for a recursive formula which will work for all n, and I have no idea how to prove this...

I would appreciate all the help I can get!

In advance, thank you!
 
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hi gjorgensen! welcome to pf! :smile:

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gjorgensen said:
R(n+1)=2R(n) - (R(n-1)+3)

However I am looking for a recursive formula which will work for all n …

(that is a recursive formula … you mean you want a non-recursive one! :wink:)

As with any https://www.physicsforums.com/library.php?do=view_item&itemid=158" , first find the general solutions to the "complementary equation", in this case Rn+1 - 2Rn + Rn-1 = 0,

and then add any particular solution to the complete equation (guess a polynomial) :smile:
 
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tiny-tim said:
hi gjorgensen! welcome to pf! :smile:

(try using the X2 icon just above the Reply box :wink:)


(that is a recursive formula … you mean you want a non-recursive one! :wink:)

As with any https://www.physicsforums.com/library.php?do=view_item&itemid=158" , first find the general solutions to the "complementary equation", in this case Rn+1 - 2Rn + Rn-1 = 0,

and then add any particular solution to the complete equation (guess a polynomial) :smile:


Thanks a lot, but what I meant was that the recursive formula I stated does not work for n=0,1,2. And I know that there exists a recursive formula which works for all n. Any suggestions, or am I misunderstanding something?

again, thank you!
 
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