Peak in single ODE within a system

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a system of nonlinear ordinary differential equations (ODEs) and the conditions under which the variable \( Z \) exhibits a peak in its time course curve. Participants explore the implications of a conservation law and the relationships between the parameters involved in the system.

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Main Points Raised

  • Carla presents a system of nonlinear ODEs and notes that the time course of \( Z \) sometimes peaks, prompting her inquiry into conditions for such peaks.
  • One participant suggests that a peak implies a specific behavior of the derivative \( \frac{dZ}{dt} \) and proposes comparing \( \alpha k_+ X Y \) with \( \beta Z \) to find conditions for peaks.
  • Another participant questions whether the conservation law implies that \( D = X + Y + 2Z \) is constant, leading to a discussion on deriving relationships from this assumption.
  • Carla confirms that \( D \) is constant and mentions that the only constraints on the parameters are non-negativity conditions.
  • There is a query about whether \( A \) is also a constant, which Carla confirms.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the nature of the conservation law and its implications for the system, but there are varying interpretations regarding the conditions for peaks in \( Z \). The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific conditions that lead to the observed peaks.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the conservation law could reduce the order of the system, and there are assumptions about the constancy of parameters that are not fully explored.

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Hi all, I have the system of nonlinear ODEs:

$$
\begin{align}
\frac{dX}{dt}=&-k_+ A X+k_-Y \\
\frac{dY}{dt}=&\ k_+ A X-k_-Y-\alpha k_+ X Y +\beta Z \\
\frac{dZ}{dt}=&\ \alpha k_+ X Y -\beta Z
\end{align}
$$

I also have a conservation law that says $D=X+Y+2Z$. Obviously it is not possible to find exact solutions to the system as it is nonlinear, but I noticed when running an ODE solver that the time course curve of $Z$ sometimes has a peak and then fall, dependent on the parameters. I was wondering if there is any way to be able to find a condition on whether I get a peak or not?

Regards
Carla
 
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At a base level, you could say that a peak like that means there is an interval $(a,b)$ containing a point $c$ such that $\dfrac{dZ}{dt}>0 \; \forall \, t\in(a,c)$ and $\dfrac{dZ}{dt}<0 \; \forall \, t\in(c,b)$. So, based on your system of ODE's, you could compare $\alpha k_+ X Y -\beta Z$ with $0$. Put another way, when is $\alpha k_+ X Y > \beta Z?$

Do you have any constraints (other than your conservation law, which looks like it could reduce the order of the system by 1. I assume $D$ is a constant?) on the constants $\alpha, \beta, k_+,$ and $k_-?$
 
Does your "conservation law" mean that D= X+ Y+ 2Z is a constant? If so then, taking the derivative of both sides with respect to t, $\frac{dX}{dt}+ \frac{dX}{dt}+ 2\frac{dZ}{dt}= 0$. Using the derivative formulas given, it follows that $\alpha k_+XY- \beta Z= 0$ so you can replace the XY term by $\beta Z$ to get a linear system.
 
Hi,

Yes, sorry, I should have explained better, D is a constant value. The only other constraints are $\alpha, \beta, k_+, k_-\geq 0$. I will work through your suggestions. Thank you very much for the help.

Regards
Carla
 
Carla1985 said:
D is a constant value. The only other constraints are $\alpha, \beta, k_+, k_-\geq 0$.
Is $A$ a constant as well?
 
Krylov said:
Is $A$ a constant as well?

Yes $A$ is constant. The only variables are $X,Y$ and $Z$
 

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