Perfectly Elastic Collision (Easy, just confusing)

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The discussion centers on solving a perfectly elastic collision problem involving two particles with masses 2m and m. The initial conditions specify that particle 1 moves with velocity v, while particle 2 is at rest. Participants emphasize the importance of applying the conservation of momentum and conservation of energy equations to derive the final velocities v1 and v2. The correct approach involves substituting variables to simplify the equations, ultimately leading to a solution that expresses the final velocities in terms of the initial velocity v.

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  • Understanding of conservation laws in physics, specifically conservation of momentum and energy.
  • Familiarity with algebraic manipulation and solving systems of equations.
  • Knowledge of perfectly elastic collisions and the concept of restitution.
  • Basic understanding of kinematics and velocity equations.
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  • Study the principles of conservation of momentum in elastic collisions.
  • Learn how to apply the conservation of energy in collision problems.
  • Explore the concept of restitution and its role in determining final velocities.
  • Practice solving similar problems involving two-body collisions with varying masses and initial velocities.
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Homework Statement



Let two particles of collide in a perfectly elastic collision. Particle 1 has a mass of 2m, while particle 2 has a mass of m. Particle 1 has initial velocity v, directed to the right, while particle 2 is at rest. What are the final velocities, v1 and v2, of particle 1 and particle 2?

Homework Equations



Conservation of Momentum

m1v1+m2v2=m1v3+m2v4

Conservation of Energy

(1/2)mv1^2+(1/2)mv2^2=(1/2)mv3^2+(1/2)mv4^2

The Attempt at a Solution



I'm not sure what to do. I've been messing around with stuff, but I can't seem to get the right answer, and I'm running out of answers on my online homework. I know you have to solve in one equation, and then substitute to the other in order to get down to a workable amount of variables, but I'm not entirely sure how. I"m pretty sure the answer has to be in the form of (constant)v, to show the ratio of the initial velocity that each object was left with, and I just don't know how to whittle it down to that.
 
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v1 and v2 are already given. You have two equations in two variables. Solve it. To make it simpler you can also use the equation from restitution instead of energy. :wink:
 
See, I thought it would be straightforward, but I'm getting a very weird answer, with a lot of square roots and such. My answer for V4, which is the velocity of the second object after the collision, was:

sqrt(v)*sqrt(sqrt(v^2-2)+v)

When it should be some nice number like 1/4v.

I don't understand what I'm doing :-\
 

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