Perturbation theory in strong interaction regime

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The discussion revolves around the application of perturbation theory in quantum field theory (QFT), particularly in the context of strong interactions. Participants explore the implications of using perturbation theory when the perturbation term is not necessarily small compared to the Hamiltonian, and the limitations of perturbation theory in capturing certain physical phenomena.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes the process of expanding the propagator and building the Green's function using a Hamiltonian of the form H = H0 + V, questioning the validity of this approach when V is not small compared to H0.
  • Another participant argues that the perturbation series diverges at some level, emphasizing that it is an asymptotic series and that the growth of diagrams outpaces the suppression from the coupling strength.
  • A different participant expresses confusion over why going to infinite order does not yield an exact solution, referencing the Gell-Mann Low theorem and the treatment of the S matrix as an exponential operator.
  • One participant points out that certain physical effects are non-perturbative and cannot be captured by perturbation theory, citing examples such as instantons and tunneling phenomena that do not appear in power series expansions.
  • A participant inquires about alternative methods in many-body theory for treating strongly correlated systems, questioning whether renormalization group (RG) methods provide actual solutions or merely approximations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the validity and limitations of perturbation theory, particularly regarding the conditions under which it can yield accurate results. There is no consensus on whether infinite-order perturbation theory can provide an exact solution when the perturbation is not small.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the perturbation series is asymptotic and may diverge depending on the coupling strength, and that certain non-perturbative effects are not captured by perturbation theory. The discussion highlights the complexity of applying perturbation theory in strong interaction regimes.

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In QFT, we can expand the propagator and obtain the diagrammatic expansion to build up the Green's function. If we have a hamiltonian of the type H = H_{0}+V, where V is the perturbation, we can build up the Feynman diagrams,and if we could build up all of them to infinite order, we would obtain the exact Green's function on the model.

However, my question is related with the fact that, in all the formal development of the diagrammatic expansion, V is not assumed to be "small" compared with H0, I mean is a perturbation which in principle is always assumed to be small respect to H0. But what happens if V becomes larger and of the same magnitude as H0? If we go to infinite order of perturbation, do we still have the exact Green's function of the problem?
 
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gonadas91 said:
if we could build up all of them to infinite order, we would obtain the exact Green's function on the model.

This is not true. The perturbation series always diverges at some level, since it is an asymptotic series. This is essentially due to the number of diagrams growing faster than the suppression from the powers of the coupling (##\sim \alpha^n## vs ##\sim n!##).

gonadas91 said:
If we go to infinite order of perturbation, do we still have the exact Green's function of the problem?

Depending on the coupling strength and (to some extent) on the available vertices, the asymptotic series is going to start diverging at different orders in perturbation theory. If the coupling constant is strong you will essentially never have a good approximation.
 
But I can't still see why going to infinite order is not giving the exact solution of the problem. I mean, if we are at zero temperature, you use the Gell-Mann Low theorem to perturb the system from the non-interacting ground state to the interacting one. This expansion is made by exact calculation of the S matrix, which is an exponential operator and you just express the exponential as a series, where the different contractions give you different diagrams. During all this treatment and derivation of the diagrammatic expansion for the Green function, its never said that V has to be necesarilly small compared to H0.

Further and for the sake of completeness, which are the available methods in many body theory to treat strong correlated systems apart from perturbation theory and RG? The RG methods also derive an approximation of the solution or they give in fact the actual solution?
 
Some real physical effects are essentially non-perturbative and never show up at any order in perturbation theory. For example suppose you try to do a power series expansion of ##\exp(-1/g^2)## around ##g = 0##. You'll find that you can't; this function has an essential singularity at ##g = 0##. And some physical effects are proportional to ##\exp(-1/g^2)## where ##g## is a coupling. Such effects--for example instantons and tunneling--will never show up in the perturbative power series expansion around ##g=0##. A classic example is a harmonic oscillator with a ##\lambda x^4## perturbation. For ##\lambda < 0## the system because unstable due to tunneling, but perturbation theory never detects this.
 

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