Phase Changes and internal energy

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the relationship between internal energy, heat, and phase changes, particularly focusing on the transitions between gas, liquid, and solid states. Participants explore how work done on a system affects internal energy and phase transitions, questioning the roles of heat and work in these processes.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant states that internal energy is defined by the equation ΔE = q + w, questioning how phase changes relate to changes in internal energy.
  • Another participant provides an analogy of pumping a tire, explaining that work done increases temperature due to the gas law, suggesting that increased pressure raises the boiling point.
  • A participant expresses confusion about why compressing a gas, which increases internal energy, results in a phase change to liquid, noting that this seems counterintuitive.
  • Further clarification is provided that the increase in internal energy due to compression occurs before the phase transition, and that during the transition, heat must be transferred to the environment.
  • It is suggested that increasing pressure can facilitate the transition to a condensed phase, and that cooling the gas can also lead to phase changes, but the energy dynamics during these processes may differ.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying interpretations of the relationship between internal energy, heat, and phase changes. There is no consensus on whether it is the increase in internal energy or the heat transfer that primarily determines phase transitions.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the understanding of phase transitions may depend on specific conditions such as temperature and pressure, and that the relationship between energy changes and phase transitions is complex and not fully resolved in the discussion.

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The internal Energy E is this: [itex]\Delta[/itex] E = q + w = q - P[itex]\Delta[/itex]V

where q is heat, w is work, and V is volume

Phase changes occur when you change internal energy of the system, right?

I am assuming that this means when you go from gas to liquid to solid, you must decrease the internal energy (remove heat).

And when you go from a solid to liquid to a gas, you must add internal energy (add heat).

That obviously makes sense, but what happens when you involve the work part of internal energy.
When you do work on the system (volume decreases), you increase its internal energy, yet compression causes a gas to turn to a liquid.
How can this be since you are increasing the internal energy?


Or am i understanding this wrong? Is it the increase in internal energy or the increase in heat that determines phase changes?
 
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Have you ever pumped up a tyre?

What happens?

The tyre becomes hotter.

This is because the work you do in increasing the gas pressure appears as heat according to the gas law

PV/T = constant

Since the volume does not change the temperature must rise.

Also the boiling point rises with increase in pressure. (Really we should call this the condensation point since we are talking about a gas to liquid phase change.)
 
So why when we compress a gas, it turns to a liquid, even though you increase its internal energy?

that seems counter intuitive, since removal of energy is what causes a gas to turn into a liquid not addition of energy
 
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gkangelexa said:
So why when we compress a gas, it turns to a liquid, even though you increase its internal energy?

that seems counter intuitive, since removal of energy is what causes a gas to turn into a liquid not addition of energy

The increase in internal energy due to compression happens before the phase transition.
During the actual transition the gas must be able to transfer energy (heat) to the environment.
The increase in pressure brings the gas at the right conditions for molecular interactions to become strong enough for a condensed phase. This may be done by decreasing temperature, increasing pressure or both.
If you cool down the gas rather than compressing it, it looses some energy but the energy lost during cooling is not related to the energy lost during the phase transition.
 

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