maverick_starstrider
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It is often said that phase transitions only exist in the thermodynamic limit based on some proof like:
-A system has time-reversal symmetry thus its TOTAL free energy F(H)=F(-H) (H is the field) therefore the magnetization is
M(H)=\frac{\partial F(H)}{\partial H}=\frac{\partial F(-H)}{\partial(- H)}=-\frac{\partial F(-H)}{\partial H}=-M(H)
Thefore, M(H)=-M(H) therefore at M=0 we have
M(0)=-M(0) therefore M(0)=0, thus no spontaneous magnetization. However, in the thermodynamic limit f(H) (the free energy per site) may have a discontinuity at H=0 and therefore the above is not necessarily true, and so on thus true phase transitions only exist in the thermodynamics limit.
Here's where I get confused. Can we not just say that the total free energy F(H) for a finite system of N spins is really F(H)=N f(H) and the same argument applies. Therefore, isn't it really just the case the the thermodynamic limit EXIST and not necessarily that the system be at it?
-A system has time-reversal symmetry thus its TOTAL free energy F(H)=F(-H) (H is the field) therefore the magnetization is
M(H)=\frac{\partial F(H)}{\partial H}=\frac{\partial F(-H)}{\partial(- H)}=-\frac{\partial F(-H)}{\partial H}=-M(H)
Thefore, M(H)=-M(H) therefore at M=0 we have
M(0)=-M(0) therefore M(0)=0, thus no spontaneous magnetization. However, in the thermodynamic limit f(H) (the free energy per site) may have a discontinuity at H=0 and therefore the above is not necessarily true, and so on thus true phase transitions only exist in the thermodynamics limit.
Here's where I get confused. Can we not just say that the total free energy F(H) for a finite system of N spins is really F(H)=N f(H) and the same argument applies. Therefore, isn't it really just the case the the thermodynamic limit EXIST and not necessarily that the system be at it?