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Are phonons in crystals standing waves or traveling waves?
Any vibrational wave can be described as a superposition of either standing waves or traveling waves. One can expand the wave function in terms of one or the other but not both. Both expansions are mathematically equivalent. The physics derived from these expansions is physically equivalent. So the question isn't well-posed.hokhani said:Are phonons in crystals standing waves or traveling waves?
It is a wave-duality thing.hokhani said:Thanks for the reply. But I wanted to know whether or not phonons are really the waves (free particles) made by crystal's atoms? In other words, do atoms oscillate on the phonon waves?
The boundary conditions are specified by the experimental configuration or the observational environment. Although boundary conditions can be ignored for many calculations, they are physical conditions. They are not just mathematical conditions.hokhani said:If yes, according to BVK boundary conditions, they must be traveling waves. And also I got confused by what is the meaning of a number of phonons in the same mode?
I will answer using the approximation that the zero point energy is zero. In an exact calculation, one would need to include the zero-point energy. However, it is best to wait until you get to problems where the zero point energy is important.hokhani said:For example if we have 5 phonons in the same mode, does it mean that these 5 phonons strengthen 5 times the effect of one of them?
Born-Von-Karman boundary conditions or cyclic boundary conditions are applied to crystals. If you consider for instance a one-dimensional crystal with length L, According to BVK boundary conditions [itex]\psi(x+L)=\psi(x)[/itex] so the wave functions would be travelling.Darwin123 said:I don't know what you mean by BVK boundary conditions. I suspect you mean impedance-matching conditions on the boundary.
You wrote that BVK conditions mean:hokhani said:Born-Von-Karman boundary conditions or cyclic boundary conditions are applied to crystals. If you consider for instance a one-dimensional crystal with length L, According to BVK boundary conditions [itex]\psi(x+L)=\psi(x)[/itex] so the wave functions would be travelling.
I have to think more about your good explanation then I will ask other questions here.
Darwin123 said:So I still don't know what BVK conditions are.
In that case, the waves can be either standing waves or traveling waves. If there are no surface effects at all, then the problem is under determined. One could use either a basis of standing waves or a basis of traveling waves.Cthugha said:Born-von Karman conditions just consist of assuming periodic boundary conditions for a crystal. In a nutshell you assume that your crystal is infinite, so there are no surface effects.
If you wrote the BVKI conditions correctly, then the BVK conditions are consistent with both standing waves and traveling waves. The waves do not have to be traveling.hokhani said:Born-Von-Karman boundary conditions or cyclic boundary conditions are applied to crystals. If you consider for instance a one-dimensional crystal with length L, According to BVK boundary conditions [itex]\psi(x+L)=\psi(x)[/itex] so the wave functions would be travelling.
BVK boundary conditions are used because one be able to consider a finite crystal as a part of infinite crystal and hence work with traveling waves. Standing waves would not entail conduction.Darwin123 said:I think that your original question presupposes a finite crystal. Infinite crystals are very rare !-)
For standing waves we have some fixed points that can not move along with the wave while in traveling waves each point is oscillating. Also if you even consider time dependency, nothing would change and only wavefunctions would be multiplied by [itex]exp(i\omega t)[/itex].Darwin123 said:In fact, you are not writing in the time dependence at all
That is not true. That can't be true because each traveling wave can be decomposed into two standing waves. Obviously, if conduction can occur with standing waves then they can occur with the two traveling waves they are made of.hokhani said:BVK boundary conditions are used because one be able to consider a finite crystal as a part of infinite crystal and hence work with traveling waves. Standing waves would not entail conduction.
hokhani said:Thanks for the reply. But I wanted to know whether or not phonons are really the waves (free particles) made by crystal's atoms? In other words, do atoms oscillate on the phonon waves? If yes, according to BVK boundary conditions, they must be traveling waves. And also I got confused by what is the meaning of a number of phonons in the same mode? For example if we have 5 phonons in the same mode, does it mean that these 5 phonons strengthen 5 times the effect of one of them?
zhanghe said:Dear hokhani,
Remember we used the periodic boundary condition, just because we have decided to ignorate the effect of the boundary, so you of course can not get any results about "travelling beyond end points". Anyway, in most semiconductor textbook when we consider interaction btw. phonon with electron, photon etc. we never consider the end point case.
And you said "it is in it's second exited state", "it has two phonons", could you tell me who is the "it"??
By "it" I mean 1D-harmonic oscillator which has only one oscillation mode and has for example two phonons in that mode.zhanghe said:Dear hokhani,
Remember we used the periodic boundary condition, just because we have decided to ignorate the effect of the boundary, so you of course can not get any results about "travelling beyond end points". Anyway, in most semiconductor textbook when we consider interaction btw. phonon with electron, photon etc. we never consider the end point case.
And you said "it is in it's second exited state", "it has two phonons", could you tell me who is the "it"??
Phonons are quantized lattice vibrations in a crystal, which are responsible for the transmission of thermal energy and the propagation of sound waves in solids.
Standing waves are stationary vibrations where the energy is confined to a specific location within the crystal lattice, while traveling waves are propagating vibrations that move through the lattice.
Phonons play a crucial role in thermal conductivity as they transport thermal energy through the crystal lattice via collisions with other phonons and defects.
Yes, phonons can be observed using various experimental techniques such as neutron scattering, X-ray diffraction, and Raman spectroscopy.
Phonons are important in determining many material properties, such as thermal and electrical conductivity, specific heat, and thermal expansion. They also play a role in the behavior of materials under extreme conditions, such as high temperatures and pressures.