Photoelectric effect and zero time delay

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the implications of the zero time delay observed in the photoelectric effect and how it relates to the particle nature of light versus wave theory. Participants explore the theoretical underpinnings and historical context of the phenomenon, examining both classical and quantum interpretations.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Historical

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants argue that the zero time delay between light illumination and photoelectron emission supports the particle nature of light, as it suggests that energy from a single photon is transferred to a single electron.
  • Others propose that if the photoelectric effect were explained by wave theory, the energy would be distributed among all electrons, leading to a longer time delay than what is experimentally observed.
  • A participant notes that the historical context of the early 20th century, including the lack of knowledge about atomic structure, complicates the interpretation of the photoelectric effect, suggesting that the absence of a time delay indicates a different mechanism at play.
  • Another participant emphasizes that the energy of a wave would need to be concentrated in a localized region to energize a single atom, which they argue is not a realistic interpretation, thus favoring the concept of localized energy packets.
  • Reference is made to Einstein's 1905 paper, which is seen as pivotal in establishing the quantization of light, with a suggestion to consult Stephen Hawking's book for further insights.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of the zero time delay, with some supporting the particle model and others highlighting the limitations of wave theory. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the definitive interpretation of the photoelectric effect.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the historical context of the early 1900s and the incomplete understanding of atomic structure at that time, which may influence interpretations of the photoelectric effect.

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How does the zero time delay between illumination of light and emission of photo electron provides an evidence for the particle nature of light?
 
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If the photoelectric effect was explained in terms of wave theory.
Then the energy of wave of incident light will not go to any particular electron but will be distributed to all electrons present on the illuminated surface.
The time delay would have been much larger than experimental time lag(10^-9 s).
Whereas particle nature supports the fact that the energy of a single photon entirely goes to single electron, which fits well with our experimental observations.
Thus it provides us the testimony that radiation posses particle nature
 
Back in 1905, they didn't know what the structure of matter was. They knew there were electrons, but the nucleus wasn't discovered yet. Classically, an oscillating electric field should exert a force on the electrons. The lack of a time delay means the electrons aren't slowly building up energy to escape the surface. You don't have a situation of a resonant mass and spring where you shake the mass with the right frequency and the displacement builds up until it breaks. It doesn't by itself rule out a classical wave, but together with other observations, it does show that somethign weird is going on.
 
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Khashishi said:
, it does show that somethign weird is going on.
Yes. The whole energy of the wave would need to have been concentrated in one localised region in order to energise one atom. That's not a very realistic interpretation of the event. Much better described in terms of localised energy packets.
 
Einstein's 1905 paper is very instructive about the thought that lead to establishing that light is quantized. An english translation is available in Stephen Hawking's 2011 book "The Dreams That Stuff Is Made Of".
 

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