Photoelectric effect (questions)

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the photoelectric effect and its implications for metals exposed to sunlight, particularly focusing on the behavior of electrons in metals, the effects of electron loss, and the interaction with high-energy radiation. Participants explore theoretical aspects, practical applications, and conceptual clarifications related to solar panels and the nature of metals when electrons are removed.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions what happens to a metal sheet when all electrons are removed, asking if it still retains its properties as a metal.
  • Another participant clarifies that if the metal is isolated, it becomes positively charged when electrons are removed, raising questions about the implications of this charge on further electron removal.
  • A different viewpoint suggests that there may be confusion between the photoelectric effect and how solar panels operate, noting that in solar cells, electrons are not simply ejected but are involved in a closed circuit.
  • There is a query about whether high-energy gamma rays can strip all electrons from an atom and what the resultant state of the metal would be.
  • One participant explains that electrons from the environment would quickly return to the metal after some have been lost, drawing parallels to common experiences with static electricity.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of electron loss in metals, the mechanisms of the photoelectric effect versus photovoltaic processes, and the implications of high-energy radiation. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives present.

Contextual Notes

There are assumptions about the conditions under which the metal is isolated and the definitions of the photoelectric effect and photovoltaic processes that are not fully explored. The discussion also touches on the lifetime of solar panels in relation to electron loss, which remains ambiguous.

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hi, Just had a few questions on the topic.


With say a sheet of metal exposed to sun light, what happens when all the electrons are gone? Is it still a sheet of metal? Just without the negative charge? will it look any different?

And how long until all electrons are gone? Is there a life time limit for solar panels converting light to energy?


Thanks in Advance.
 
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Assuming that the metal is isolated, that is, not part of an electric circuit...

When you knock some (negatively charged) electrons off, the metal becomes positively charged, right? What does that positive charge do when you try to knock more (negatively charged) electrons off?
 
I'm not sure, but I think you are confusing the photelectric effect and how photovoltaics work. Solar cells don't have free electrons shooting off a surface; electrons are promoted from the valence to conduction band, where they participate in a closed circuit of current. As electrons leave the device, new ones are brought in (becasue the circuit is closed).

For the photoelectric effect, as electrons are liberated, the work function must increase- it becomes more difficult to liberate additional electrons.
 
thanks for the help.

So after a while no more electrons will be free on the piece of metal?

What about high energy gamma rays. Can they strip the atoms of every electron in every electron shell?

Then would it still look & be a piece of metal?



thanks.
 
Electrons from the environment would be quickly attracted to the metal and repopulate the atoms that earlier lost them. It is a common thing for materials to lose electrons and then get some back again. All of your experiences with static electricity, like clingy clothes coming out of the drier, or if you rub a balloon on your sweater and them it will stick to the wall, in such cases friction has scraped electrons off of atoms. When the stickiness goes away that means the population of electrons has gone back to normal. It will go back to normal faster for a metal than for other materials. Going back to the neutral condition is slowest for insulators.
 

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