Photon structure - light decyphering

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the structure of photons and their implications for deciphering interstellar messages. Participants explore various theoretical perspectives on the nature of photons, including their dimensional properties and potential applications in understanding cosmic phenomena.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes a photon as a wavetrain, suggesting that a stellar visible light photon is a few tens of millimeters long but billions of miles wide, resembling a disk shape.
  • Another participant presents a personal theory that considers photons as closed reactions spanning all of space-time, with their effects diminishing rapidly outside a specific four-volume of space-time defined by their interaction points.
  • This participant also discusses the idea that while the electromagnetic force associated with photons may behave probabilistically, they believe it has a real existence that is not solely a probability distribution.
  • A later reply questions the average "width" of the Cosmic Microwave Background Radiation (CMBR) and its potential use in universal density measurements and dark matter effects.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of photons, with no consensus reached on their structure or implications. Multiple competing theories and questions remain unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants' claims involve assumptions about dimensions, the nature of electromagnetic forces, and the mathematical descriptions of photon behavior, which are not fully explored or agreed upon.

Victor
Anybody out there can give me a hand on basic photon structure.
Looking towards decyphering interstellar messages.
Thank you.
 
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A wavetrain. Stellar visible light photon is typically few tens of a millimiter long, but billions and billions miles wide (kinda disk -shaped).
 
This is only my opinion of what a photon is...

If we consider a multi-dimensional hyperspace (more than 4 dims, but total quantity of open & closed dimensions are not pert. to the picture) - the photon, any photon, is a closed reaction that spans all of the volume of space-time (including time). The bulk majority of the history of each photon is along a small 4-volume of space-time between the reactions start and endpoints. The potential of the existence (the strength of effect of the electromagentic force associated with it) drops off very quickly away from this volume... by the mathematical relation described by the bell curve for the typical Gaussian wave-packet--- at a given cross-section through the four-volume between interaction points. Over large "stellar" distances, the packet becomes smoothly dispersed.
The reaction doesn't dominate the space-time, obviously, because it is of a very discrete property carried along the histories in the probablitity of the amplitude defined by the packet. I don't personally believe, however, that is is only probability distribution... Like Schroedinger, I cling to the belief that it is a real but behaves like a probability. People like Wheeler hate that kind of thinking. But if the EM force carried is some kind of kink in space-time dimensions stretched out over large distances... It would still obey statistics if the reaction had to be complete only at the endpoints.
 
Originally posted by Alexander
A wavetrain. Stellar visible light photon is
typically few tens of a millimiter long, but
billions and billions miles wide
(kinda disk -shaped).
Hmm...
I wonder what's the average "weidth" of
the CMBR and can it be used to make some
Universal density measurements as well
as possibly some Dark Matter effects ?
 

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