Physics Evening Masters at the University of Washington

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the value and rigor of the Physics Evening Masters program at the University of Washington, particularly for someone with a chemistry background seeking to transition into a PhD in physics. Participants explore the adequacy of the program as a preparatory step and discuss course recommendations for building a suitable academic foundation.

Discussion Character

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  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the rigor of the Master's courses compared to PhD-level courses, seeking clarity on whether this perceived lack of difficulty is a disadvantage.
  • Another participant, familiar with the program, confirms that the courses are less rigorous than upper-division classes and notes that students from other disciplines may struggle.
  • It is mentioned that the program is considered a "terminal Master's," which may not be intended to prepare students for a PhD, but could serve as a bridge for transitioning into physics.
  • A participant suggests that taking upper-division quantum mechanics (QM) and electromagnetism (E&M) is crucial for being considered for a PhD program, despite their lower course numbers.
  • Discussion includes the "core four" courses expected by PhD programs: classical mechanics, E&M, QM, and thermodynamics/statistical mechanics, with variations in how these are offered at different schools.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the rigor and purpose of the Master's program, with some seeing it as a viable pathway while others emphasize its limitations for PhD preparation. No consensus is reached regarding the best approach for transitioning into physics from a different scientific background.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions regarding the specific academic background needed for success in the program and the implications of course selection on future PhD applications.

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Is it worth doing this type of Masters course? I come from a chemistry background (quit a PhD years ago) and want to do a PhD in physics after a gap of several years working in unrelated fields. I don't feel I have sufficient background in physics to step immediately into a PhD program, and I need to get some academic references as any I might be able to get are too out of date and not physics related.

Here's the course page:
https://sharepoint.washington.edu/phys/grad/EMSP/Pages/default.aspx

I've seen comments that the courses offered are not very rigorous and rather easy compared to PhD track 500-level courses. Is this true? If so, is it a disadvantage? I may be able to do some daytime 400 or 500 level courses as I intend to not be working full time for at least some of the course's duration.

Is there a better way for me to get into physics from a different science background, after a long gap?
 
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I'm familiar with this very program. I took a few of their classes "for fun" and they were definitely less rigorous than the uppper-division classes (I got my BS in physics from UW). But people who had degrees in other subjects (e.g., engineering, math, etc.) really struggled.

Many of students in the program work at Boeing, so it's a good way to make contacts if you ever want to work there.

It's considered a "terminal Master's" program, meaning it is not intended to prepare you for a PhD program. But possibly it could be what you're looking for - a "bridge" to get to the next step. Have you spoken with any of the profs?
 
Thanks for the information. Yes, I spoke to some of the professors, and I've sat in on several of the current quarter's electromagnetism classes. It looks interesting and fun and seems like it is the kind of "bridge" I need.

Since you're familiar with the UW physics department, do you have any suggestions of good daytime 400 or 500 level courses I should do? I plan to make use of the option of taking some non-evening courses as credit for this masters.
 
If you haven't yet had upper-division QM or E&M, I think you should take them if your goal is to be considered for a PhD program. They're "only" 300-level classes, and "only" 3 credits each, but this is a case where the course numbers and credits are entirely deceptive.

Most 400- and 500-level classes build on these two courses anyway.
 
The "core four" courses that Ph.D. programs generally expect incoming students to have taken as a bare minimum are upper-level classical mechanics, E&M, QM, and thermodynamics / statistical mechanics.

At some schools, thermo and stat mech are in a single combined course, at others they're separate courses.
 

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