Physics project help -- magnetism

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The discussion centers on the feasibility of creating a magnet that slides down a pole without friction, specifically a cylindrical magnet with a north exterior and south interior. Participants clarify that such a configuration would not be possible due to the impossibility of a magnetic monopole. Suggestions include using bar magnets within a copper tube to demonstrate magnetic principles and exploring the concept of maglev trains for insights into magnetic levitation. The conversation concludes with the recommendation to investigate radially magnetized ring magnets, which are challenging to manufacture and may be costly.

PREREQUISITES
  • Understanding of magnetic poles and their properties
  • Familiarity with eddy currents and their applications
  • Basic knowledge of magnetism in physics
  • Awareness of magnetic levitation concepts
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  • Research the principles of magnetic levitation as used in maglev trains
  • Explore the manufacturing processes for radially magnetized ring magnets
  • Investigate the behavior of bar magnets in conductive materials like copper tubes
  • Study the concept of magnetic monopoles and their implications in physics
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Is it possible to make a magnet that slides down a pole with no friction? The magnet would be a cylinder, the exterior would be N and the interior S. It would slide down the S end of a magnetized pole. That way the the pole would push equally on the sides of the interior of the cylinder. This is for my middle school science fair.
 
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You cannot have a magnet whose exterior is a north pole. That would be a magnetic monopole and would be a Nobel prize project, not a middle school science fair project.

You could have bar magnets that slide through a copper tube, or something similar.
 
DaleSpam said:
You cannot have a magnet whose exterior is a north pole. That would be a magnetic monopole and would be a Nobel prize project, not a middle school science fair project.

You could have bar magnets that slide through a copper tube, or something similar.

Can you expand on that? How would that work?
 
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radaballer said:
Is it possible to make a magnet that slides down a pole with no friction? The magnet would be a cylinder, the exterior would be N and the interior S. It would slide down the S end of a magnetized pole. That way the the pole would push equally on the sides of the interior of the cylinder. This is for my middle school science fair.

DaleSpam said:
You cannot have a magnet whose exterior is a north pole. That would be a magnetic monopole and would be a Nobel prize project, not a middle school science fair project.

You could have bar magnets that slide through a copper tube, or something similar.

It seems like you could bolt together a number of thin rectangular magnets in the shape of a cylinder, with their S ends pressed together at the inner radius, and the outer N ends spaced a bit apart.

But even with that, you couldn't have a "pole" that was the S end of a magnet, so the overall idea still doesn't seem to work.

You could look into how maglev trains work -- that will give you an idea of a geometry that uses magnetic levitation to minimize friction...
 
Just buy some cylindrical bar magnets and then buy a copper tube that is slightly wider. You can use that kind of rig to demonstrate eddy currents.
 
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Could this type go magnet be made?
 
DaleSpam said:
Just buy some cylindrical bar magnets and then buy a copper tube that is slightly wider. You can use that kind of rig to demonstrate eddy currents.
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Ah, I completely misunderstood the geometry. I would call that shape a tube, not a cylinder. Please disregard my previous comments. I believe that you could indeed have a tube magnet with the poles as described in your OP. My apologies.
 
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You want to look for a radially magnetized ring or tube magnet. They are apparently difficult to manufacture, so they are going to be expensive.
 
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You can make a ring magnet with S on the inside and N on the outside.

However making the long magnetised pole for it to slide down is more of a problem. The further you get from the ends of the more it looks like a monopole from the outside.
 

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