Pigeonhole Principle & irrational numbers

In summary, the conversation discusses how to prove that for an irrational number x, the absolute value of the difference between jx and the nearest integer to jx is less than 1/n for some positive integer j not exceeding n. The solution involves using the pigeonhole principle and dividing the interval from 0 to 1 into n equal sized intervals. It is important to note that n is given, not j. The discussion also explores the fact that for real numbers, the difference between jx and [jx] is between 0 and 1, and for irrational numbers, the difference is strictly between 0 and 1. The conversation ends with questioning why this only applies to irrational numbers.
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Homework Statement



Let x be an irrational number. Show that the absolute value of the difference between jx and the nearest integer to jx is less than 1/n for some positive integer j not exceeding n.

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The Attempt at a Solution



Ok, I know that it should be solved using pigeonhole Principle

and there is the fact that

for real numbers: 0 <= | jx - [jx] | < 1

specifically for irrational numbers: 0 < | jx - [jx] | < 1

that should make the difference but i can't exactly come up with the correct intervals that form the final conclusion.
 
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I think you are looking at it backwards. It is "n" that is 'given', not j. Given a positive integer, n, divide the interval from 0 to 1 into n equal sized (1/n of course) intervals.
 
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HallsofIvy said:
I think you are looking at it backwards. It is "n" that is 'given', not j. Given a positive integer, n, divide the interval from 0 to 1 into n equal sized (1/n of course) intervals.

yes, but considering that 1 <= j <= n we have n different js.

that leaves us with n pigeons (js) and n pigeonholes (intervals). :biggrin: and no useful conclusion.

and why only irrational numbers?!
 

What is the Pigeonhole Principle?

The Pigeonhole Principle is a mathematical principle that states that if there are n objects and m containers, and n is greater than m, then at least one container must contain more than one object.

How is the Pigeonhole Principle used in mathematics?

The Pigeonhole Principle is used to prove many mathematical theorems and results, particularly in combinatorics, number theory, and discrete mathematics. It is a powerful tool for proving results that may seem intuitive but are difficult to prove directly.

What is an irrational number?

An irrational number is a real number that cannot be expressed as a ratio of two integers. This means that its decimal representation is non-terminating and non-repeating. Examples of irrational numbers include pi, the square root of 2, and the golden ratio.

How are irrational numbers related to the Pigeonhole Principle?

The Pigeonhole Principle can be used to prove that there are an infinite number of irrational numbers. This is because there are infinitely many real numbers, but only countably many rational numbers, meaning that there must be uncountably many irrational numbers. The Pigeonhole Principle is also used to prove certain properties of irrational numbers, such as the fact that they are dense on the number line.

What is the importance of understanding the Pigeonhole Principle and irrational numbers?

The Pigeonhole Principle and irrational numbers are important concepts in mathematics and have many applications in various fields, including computer science, cryptography, and physics. Understanding these concepts can help in problem-solving and developing critical thinking skills. They also have philosophical implications, such as challenging the idea of a perfectly ordered and rational universe.

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