Pion Decay: Questions from a Beginner

  • Context: Graduate 
  • Thread starter Thread starter billbray
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Decay Pion
Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the decay processes of the negative pion, specifically focusing on the roles of W bosons and the subsequent decay of muons and electrons. Participants explore the implications of energy, momentum, and the characteristics of particles involved in these decays, touching on theoretical aspects and kinematics.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the greater energy of the first W- boson decay is due to its greater momentum and velocity compared to the second W- boson decay to an electron.
  • Another participant inquires if the first W- boson, having greater velocity, would be shorter-lived or if its life cycle is fixed.
  • It is noted that the electron anti-neutrino would need to carry off more momentum than the muon anti-neutrino.
  • A participant states that pion decays into muons occur nearly 100% of the time, while decays into electrons happen at a much lower rate.
  • Concerns are raised about the mass of W bosons being inconsistent with conservation laws, suggesting they are off-shell and that this affects decay rates.
  • Discussion includes the frame-dependence of velocity and the importance of analyzing the decay from the pion's rest frame.
  • Another participant emphasizes that the muon is on-shell and can interact with matter, leading to a distinction between the muon decay and pion decay processes.
  • Relativistic kinematics are suggested as a means to understand the velocities of decay products and their interactions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the characteristics of W bosons, the implications of momentum and energy conservation, and the analysis frame for the decay processes. No consensus is reached on these points.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention the uncertainty relation in relation to the detection of W bosons and the implications of frame-dependence on particle velocities. The discussion highlights the complexity of decay processes and the need for careful consideration of kinematics.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for beginners in particle physics, students studying decay processes, and those interested in the interactions of fundamental particles.

billbray
Messages
24
Reaction score
0
Forgive my question for being so elementry, but I'm jumping a bit ahead of my curriculum...

I've attached a decay process for the negative pion. I actually spliced together the initial pion decay and then the subsequent muon decay, assuming the entire process is correct.

1) the first W- boson decays to a muon, the second W- boson decays to an electron. I assume that the greater energy for the first W- decay is due to it's greater momentum - given it's mass is set at about 80Gev, I assume this is due to greater velocity than the second W- boson decay to an electron? Is that correct??

2) If the first W- boson has greater velocity, is it shorter lived? or is the life cycle of the W- boson set? Meaning it would travel a greater distance before decaying...

any insights, feedback, etc would be greatly appreciated...

thanks

bill
 

Attachments

  • pion decay.JPG
    pion decay.JPG
    7.1 KB · Views: 1,255
Physics news on Phys.org
P.S.

It also seems that the electron anti-neutrino would have to carry off more momenta than the muon anti-neutrino...?
 
Weak interaction is a V-A theory. Through calculation, pion decays into muon nearly 100 percents. It could decay into electron, but the decaying rate is very small. Then muon decays into electron.
 
As far as I know, it is impossible to detect the W bosons directly so far. In pion's or muon's decay, it could only exist for a very short time. You can estimate it according to the uncertainty relation.
 
In fact, if you check you'll find that conservation of energy and momentum at each vertex forbids the Ws from having mass anywhere near 80 GeV, given that the initial pion has a mass of only about 150 MeV. This means that the Ws are both highly off-shell, which greatly suppresses the rate of these processes.

The muon, on the other hand, is on-shell and can survive for macroscopic times and distances, which is why these are usually drawn as separate processes. The muon has time to interact with matter around it, making the muon decay process decohere from the pion decay.

Back to your questions. Since velocity is a frame-dependent quantity, we can't unambiguously talk about any particle in this process, whether on or off-shell. So, we will consider the process to occur in the rest frame of the pion. Since the entire pion transmutes into a W in the process of decaying, the first W must, in fact, be at rest as well. The muon will have momentum
p = \frac{m_\pi^2-m_\mu^2}{2m_\pi}
and (thus) energy
E = \frac{m_\pi^2+m_\mu^2}{2m_\pi}.
This means it has velocity
v = \frac{m_\pi^2-m_\mu^2}{m_\pi^2+m_\mu^2}.

The kinematics of the muon decay will depend on the angles between its velocity and those of the decay products, as well as the angles among those products. However, we can see that the second W has no particular reason to be at rest. But, you could use relativistic kinematics to put limits on the allowed velocities (remembering that its effective mass will be the invariant mass of the electron/electron-neutrino pair).
 
Last edited:
You probably should analyze the pi-μ-e decay from the standpoint of the pion rest frame (as stated by Parlyne). In this frame, the muon kinetic energy is ~ 4.12 MeV. So it is nearly at rest. So in the pion rest frame, nearly all of the electron kinetic energy comes from the Q of the μ-e decay. All the rest of the energy and angular distribution (excepting parity conservation issues) comes from the Lorentz transformation into the moving pion frame.

Bob S
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
5K
  • · Replies 11 ·
Replies
11
Views
4K
  • · Replies 13 ·
Replies
13
Views
5K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
4K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 0 ·
Replies
0
Views
3K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
4K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
4K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
3K