Pneumatic/hydraulic energy storage

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of storing rotational energy as pneumatic or hydraulic energy. Participants explore various systems and methods for converting and storing energy derived from a rotational shaft, considering both pneumatic and hydraulic applications.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests using a compressor driven by the rotational shaft to compress air into a tank for storage and later use.
  • Another participant mentions the Tesla turbine as a potential concept related to the discussion.
  • There is a question about the feasibility of using liquids for energy storage, with some participants noting that liquids cannot be compressed effectively.
  • A participant points out that hydraulic systems are commonly used in heavy construction machinery, implying their practical application in energy transfer.
  • Another participant proposes the idea of pumping liquid uphill to store energy as gravitational potential energy (GPE).
  • A suggestion is made to research hydraulic hybrid trucks, which utilize hydraulic accumulators for energy storage in hydraulic systems.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the effectiveness of using liquids for energy storage, with some asserting that it is not feasible to compress liquids, while others highlight the practical use of hydraulic systems in various applications. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the optimal methods for storing energy in hydraulic systems.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge limitations in their understanding of how to store energy specifically in hydraulic systems, with some uncertainty about the mechanisms involved and the definitions of energy storage in this context.

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Hello! Are there any systems that you can store rotational energy into pneumatic or hydraulic energy? Let's say we have a rotational shaft. How can I take energy from it and store it as pneumatic or hydraulic energy? And then re-use it?
 
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I suppose you could run a compressor from your shaft that will compress air into a tank. Then you can use the compressed air however you want.
 
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Tesla "turbine?"
 
Drakkith said:
I suppose you could run a compressor from your shaft that will compress air into a tank. Then you can use the compressed air however you want.

Would that work with liquids? Any hydraulic system to have a look?
 
physea said:
Would that work with liquids? Any hydraulic system to have a look?

of course ... in use every day on heavy construction industry machines ... dozers, grader, excavators etc
 
physea said:
Would that work with liquids?

You won't be able to compress a liquid very effectively, so that part won't work.

physea said:
Any hydraulic system to have a look?

I know you could run a hydraulic system off of your shaft, but I don't know how you would store energy in a hydraulic system. Hydraulics are usually used to transfer the power from a power source, such as an engine or motor, to a location where that power is needed to do work, without needing mechanical linkages. However, if you're designing a system that can stored energy from a shaft, then you could incorporate hydraulics to get the energy back out of wherever you stored it.
 
You could pump the liquid uphill and store energy in GPE.
 
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Google hydraulic hybrid truck for applications of energy storage in hydraulic systems. The energy is stored in an accumulator, search term is hydraulic accumulator.
 

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