Polytropic Equation: Is Temperature Constant?

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The discussion centers around the nature of temperature in a polytropic thermodynamic process, specifically questioning whether temperature remains constant. Participants explore the implications of the polytropic equation pv^n=c and its derivation, while considering the characteristics of different thermodynamic processes such as isothermal and adiabatic.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions if temperature is constant in a polytropic process, suggesting that the equation pv^n=c implies constancy, yet logic suggests otherwise.
  • Another participant clarifies that a polytropic process does not necessitate negligible heat transfer and is defined by a relationship between equilibrium states, applicable to quasistatic processes in simple compressible gas systems.
  • Several participants express confusion regarding the derivation of the equation pV^n=c, seeking clarity on how it was formulated.
  • It is noted that for isothermal processes, n=1, and for adiabatic processes, n=γ, indicating that other processes can also satisfy the polytropic equation under controlled temperature conditions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express uncertainty regarding the constancy of temperature in polytropic processes, with no consensus reached on the implications of the equation or its derivation.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the lack of a clear derivation for the polytropic equation and the dependence on specific definitions of thermodynamic processes. The discussion also highlights the need for further exploration of the conditions under which the polytropic relationship holds.

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Is temperature constant in a polytropic thermodynamic process? The equation pv^n=c leads me to believe so. But logic tells me otherwise. Its not isothermal or adiabatic. Did they derive this equation from using log transforms when analyzing gas experiments?
 
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A polytropic process does not require the heat transfer to be negligible. The process is following a relationship between equilibrium states. The equation is restricted to a quasistatic process for a simple compressible gas system.

The above is taking from "Thermodynamics" 5th Edition by Wark. Page 664
 
But how did they come up with the equation pV^n=c?
I can find any derivation for that equation. I'm trying to understand how the equation was formed.
 
jaredokie said:
But how did they come up with the equation pV^n=c?
I can find any derivation for that equation. I'm trying to understand how the equation was formed.
People noted that, for an isothermal process, n=1 and for an adiabatic process, n=γ. So they figured that, if the temperature is controlled properly, there can be other processes which satisfy a p-v equation of the specified mathematical form. They coined the term "polytropic" to refer to such processes.
 

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