Possibility of an electric flame thrower?

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The discussion revolves around the feasibility of creating an electric "flame" thrower using electric bolts directed through a stream of oppositely charged gas. Participants explore the theoretical and experimental aspects of this concept, including the nature of the charged gas and its interaction with air.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes using a tesla coil to emit electric bolts and directing them with a stream of oppositely charged gas, questioning the attainability of such a charged gas stream and its behavior in air.
  • Another participant references a related experiment involving inert gas and a high-frequency ultraviolet laser, suggesting a parallel to the initial proposal.
  • A subsequent participant inquires about the differences between their proposal and the referenced experiment, emphasizing the direct application of electricity into the gas stream.
  • One participant expresses disappointment upon discovering that their idea has already been explored in previous experiments, indicating a sense of overlap with existing research.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the feasibility of the proposed electric flame thrower, and multiple competing views regarding the nature of the charged gas and its application remain present.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the properties of the charged gas stream, including whether it constitutes plasma and how it would interact with surrounding air. There are also unresolved questions regarding the specifics of the experiments referenced.

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This discussion may be of interest to those exploring experimental physics, electrical engineering, and the study of plasma and charged gases.

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possibility of an electric "flame"thrower?

this idea has kind of been laying quietly in my thoughts for a month or two. if i take something that emits electric bolts, like a tesla coil, would i be able to direct the bolts with a stream of oppositely charged gas (i imagine the stream of air shooting out of an empty super soaker)? i would think it would work because the electricity would follow the gas stream seeking neutrality. the problems are i don't know if a charged gas stream will be attainable (is this strictly plasma?) or how the stream would react with the air it is being shot into. any input would be appreciated. thanks

...when you see that blue-white bolt, as in lightning, tesla coil, or jacob's ladder, what is the charge of it? i always kind of thought it was negative because i hear electricity flows through electrons. (or is there really no charge and the light emitted is due to the union of a negative and positive charge?)
 
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Sure! I was watching the discovery channel, some people studying lightning did that exact same thing, kind of. They had some kind of inert gas, in the path of a high frequency ultraviolet LASER, a UVASER... and studied the lightning they made in the vicinity of the uvaser and gas.
 
hmm...excellent. how would one acquire this charged gas? is there a difference between my proposal and the discovery channel experiment? i would be shooting electricity directly into the gas stream whereas their electricity seemed to be the result of shooting something else into it.
 
http://dsc.discovery.com/news/briefs/20041227/lightning_zoom0.html
http://dsc.discovery.com/news/briefs/20041227/lightning.html
This wasn't the show, but it was pretty much the same thing that was on it.

http://www.iop.org/EJ/article/1367-2630/4/1/361/nj2161.html
http://www.iop.org/EJ/article/1367-2630/4/1/361/nj2161.pdf
From iop, these are the same thing, the second being a pdf.

I'd have to say your proposal was exactly the same. You know what? I hate it when that happens, I think of something, it's a great idea, and it could really work, then I find out a week later, its already been done a few years ago.
 
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