Possible combinations with thirteen buttons

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The discussion revolves around determining the number of possible combinations for a lock with 13 buttons that can either be pressed in or left extended. Participants explore the implications of different numbers of buttons being pressed and the mathematical reasoning behind calculating the combinations.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes the mechanics of the lock and the uncertainty regarding how many buttons need to be pressed to solve it.
  • Another participant suggests labeling each button's position as either 0 (not pressed) or 1 (pressed) to facilitate the calculation.
  • A third participant references a mathematical approach using the binomial expansion of (1+1)13 to find the number of combinations, indicating that the kth term represents the number of ways to press k buttons.

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The discussion does not reach a consensus on the exact number of combinations or the method of calculation, as participants present different approaches and reasoning.

Contextual Notes

Participants do not clarify the assumptions behind their mathematical approaches, and the discussion lacks resolution on the specific calculations involved.

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This is similar to one of my previous posts, but is quite different.
There are 13 buttons (numbered 1, 2, 3, ...13)in this combination lock, and you have to figure out which ones can be pressed in.
They can either be pushed in or left into their original extended position.
You don't know how many buttons need to be pushed in (or left pushed out) to solve the lock (it could be none, 1, 3, 8, or all 13).
How many possibile combinations are there? Any how do you arrive at that answer?

Here's a photo of my lock. The buttons are in the front of the blanket chest and are spring-loaded. When you push one of the buttons, the corresponding lock-pin on the top of the chest falls into place due to gravity. To let the lock return to the original position, you pull the lock-pin upwards and the spring forces the button back out. After each attempt at pushing the buttons, the longer bar on top of the chest gets pushed down. If the combination is correct, you can push the bar all the way down. If incorrect, it only depressed part of the way.
 

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hi davidbdix! :smile:

have you tried labelling each button's position as either 0 or 1 ?
 
(I answered on another forum). 213. Expand (1+1)13 as binomial. The kth term is the number of ways to press k buttons.
 
thanks!
 

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