Potential & Kinetic Energy of Revolving Object (e.g. Moon)

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concepts of gravitational potential energy and kinetic energy as they pertain to the Moon's orbit around the Earth. Participants explore the relationship between these forms of energy and the binding of the Moon to the Earth, considering both theoretical implications and practical scenarios.

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  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the Moon has gravitational potential energy represented by mg, suggesting that this formula may not apply in the context of its orbit.
  • Another participant clarifies that for satellites like the Moon, gravitational potential energy is given by the formula E = - (MmG/r), indicating that this energy is negative and signifies attraction to the Earth.
  • It is proposed that the Moon is bound to the Earth because the sum of its potential and kinetic energy is negative, with kinetic energy being half of the negative potential energy.
  • A participant humorously inquires if using energy equal to the potential energy would allow for the Moon's removal, questioning the implications of setting potential energy to zero.
  • Another participant responds that only 50% of the potential energy is needed to remove the Moon, as the kinetic energy contributes the other half.
  • One participant provides calculations for the gravitational binding energy and kinetic energy of the Moon, estimating the energy required to remove it from Earth's influence.
  • There is a discussion about the choice of reference point for potential energy, noting that it is conventional to set potential energy at infinite distance to zero, but other values can also be used.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the application of gravitational potential energy formulas and the implications of energy required to remove the Moon. There is no consensus on the best approach to understanding these energy relationships.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note that the calculations provided are rough approximations and do not account for all factors, such as the influence of the Sun on the Moon's orbit.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to those studying orbital mechanics, gravitational theory, or energy dynamics in astrophysics.

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So let's consider the moon its rotating around the Earth in a fixed orbit, its moving at a velocity say v so it possesses a kinetic energy 1/2 mv2 . the gravitational force between the Earth and the moon is also present which attracts the moon towards the Earth . My question is does the moon has a gravitational potential energy of mg where m is the mass of the moon and g is the value of gravitational acceleration in the space ? What role does this potential energy play, the kinetic energy keeps the moon moving and the centripetal force mv2/r keeps it in its orbit . So where does potential energy blends in ? Is this energy responsible for keeping the moon bounded to the Earth ? If not then what energy keeps the moon bounded to Earth ?
Thanks in advance
 
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My question is does the moon has a gravitational potential energy of mg where m is the mass of the moon and g is the value of gravitational acceleration in the space ?
No, that formula works for small height differences only, where the variation of g is negligible (e.g. in your lab).

For satellites like the moon, the gravitational potential energy is given by ##E=- \frac{MmG}{r}## where M is the mass of earth, m is the mass of moon, r is the distance and G is the gravitational constant.
It is negative, indicating that the moon is attracted to earth. Moon is bound because the sum of potential energy and kinetic energy is negative (more specific: the kinetic energy is half the (negative) potential energy): You would need additional energy to remove the moon from earth.
 
mfb said:
Moon is bound because the sum of potential energy and kinetic energy is negative (more specific: the kinetic energy is half the (negative) potential energy): You would need additional energy to remove the moon from earth.
So if I use energy equal to the potential energy , will I be able to remove the moon?(Sounds like some evil plan LOL)also if I consider potential energy to be 0 how would it affect the energy required to remove the moon?
 


You just need 50% of the potential energy to remove moon, as the other 50% are already there (as kinetic energy).

also if I consider potential energy to be 0 how would it affect the energy required to remove the moon?
The moon does not care about your choice of potential energy. It is convenient to set "potential energy at infinite distance" to 0, but you can use every other value, too.
 
mfb said:
You just need 50% of the potential energy to remove moon, as the other 50% are already there (as kinetic energy).
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Cannot understand this , would mind explaining it once?
 


Gravitational binding energy of the moon: GMm/r = -8*1028J
Kinetic energy of the moon: 1/2mv^2 = 4*1028J (rough approximations)

Total energy of the moon: -4*1028J

Minimal energy of the moon at "infinite" distance: 0

Required energy to remove moon: 0 - (-4*1028J) = 4*1028J
(This is about 108 times the world energy consumption of a year)

The actual value is a bit smaller than that, as I did not take the sun into account - you don't have to move it to "infinite" distance, something like ~1.5 million km would be enough to separate it.
 

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