Potential theory for water waves

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The discussion revolves around the application of potential theory to water waves, specifically focusing on the derivation of the Bernoulli equation for unsteady flow as presented in a course text. Participants express confusion regarding the mathematical steps involved in integrating the equations and the relationship between dynamical pressure and the potential function.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the integration process used to derive the Bernoulli equation from Newton's 2nd law, particularly how three separate equations are combined into one.
  • Another participant seeks clarification on the step where dynamical pressure is equated to the change in the potential function, referencing specific equations from the text.
  • A later reply suggests that the integration process is straightforward if one considers that z=0 for the equations in the x and y directions, implying that the results can be compared directly.
  • Another participant describes the derivation process for each direction (x, y, z) and notes that the constant term ##\rho g z## can be merged into the constants from the other equations.
  • One participant expresses realization that the integration process resembles finding a function from its partial derivatives, indicating a moment of understanding.

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Participants express varying levels of confusion and understanding regarding the mathematical steps involved, indicating that there is no consensus on the clarity of the derivation process.

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Participants highlight the potential complexity of the derivation process depending on prior knowledge and the teaching objectives of the course material.

Nikitin
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hi :)

http://ocw.mit.edu/courses/mechanic...s-fall-2009/course-text/MIT2_017JF09_ch06.pdf

In page 37 they use Newton's 2nd law for a fluid element (while ignoring viscous forces) to derive the bernoulli equation for unsteady flow.

Well, what I am confused about is the last step: They integrate through the x direction, y direction and then z direction to get 3 separate bernoulli equations,,, but then they just add it all up to one? I don't understand the mathematics behind this as I'm completely new to potential theory.
 
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Furthermore, on page 40 they equate the dynamical pressure {for waterwaves} to be equal to the change in the potential function?? To see what I mean:

From this (Bernoulli) ##p + 0.5 \rho V^2 (\approx 0) + \rho g z +\rho \frac{\partial(\phi)}{\partial(z)} = C##, they go to this: ##p_d = p+\rho g z = -\rho \frac{\partial(\phi)}{\partial(z)}##

How did they do that?
 
Nikitin said:
hi :)

http://ocw.mit.edu/courses/mechanic...s-fall-2009/course-text/MIT2_017JF09_ch06.pdf

In page 37 they use Newton's 2nd law for a fluid element (while ignoring viscous forces) to derive the bernoulli equation for unsteady flow.

Well, what I am confused about is the last step: They integrate through the x direction, y direction and then z direction to get 3 separate bernoulli equations,,, but then they just add it all up to one? I don't understand the mathematics behind this as I'm completely new to potential theory.

This is nothing mysterious, it is just that z=0 for the equations in [itex]\hat{x}[/itex] and [itex]\hat{y}[/itex], so that equation works for all three cases. If that doesn't make sense, do the three integrals and compare the results.
 
It works through "The first force balance (x direction)" and gets to the result

"Bermouilli forrmula" = ##C_1## when y and z are constant

The same process in the y direction gives
"Bermouilli forrmula" = ##C_2## when z and x are constant

and in the z direction
"Bermouilli forrmula" + ##\rho g z## = ##C_3## when x and y are constant

But ##\rho g z## is a constant when z is constant, so you can merge it into ##C_1## and ##C_2##.

In other words the final equation is actually valid in the x, y, and z directions.

This seems like a tortuous way to get to the result, but I guess that depends what you already know and what the teaching objectives for this part of the course are.
 
Oh how stupid of me. This is just the same as integrating partial derivatives of a function and then comparing the results to find the actual function. OK, thanks!
 

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