Potentiometer or Closing Valve for Regulating 12V DC Pump Flow?

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The discussion revolves around the regulation of flow for a 12V DC pump, specifically in the context of aquarium applications. Participants explore whether a potentiometer or a closing valve is more effective for controlling flow rates, while also considering the implications of using brushless motors and the factors affecting flow rate.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that a closing valve, such as a ball valve, is a preferable solution for regulating flow compared to a potentiometer.
  • Others question the effectiveness of a potentiometer for adjusting flow rates and express curiosity about the limitations of brushless motors in terms of flow direction.
  • It is noted that while a potentiometer can be used with small brushed motors, it may require proper power ratings and cooling solutions.
  • Participants mention that brushless motors require electronic commutation, making direct control with a potentiometer impractical, although the commutation electronics could potentially be controlled by a potentiometer.
  • Some contributions highlight that flow rate is influenced not only by voltage but also by input and output pressure, suggesting that accurate flow control may require feedback mechanisms.
  • There is a suggestion to consider alternative solutions, such as peristaltic pumps with stepper motor control, for more precise flow regulation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the effectiveness of potentiometers versus closing valves for flow regulation, and there is no consensus on the best approach. Additionally, there are varying opinions on the capabilities and control methods for brushless motors.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention the need for accurate control and the potential for feedback loops, indicating that the discussion may be limited by assumptions about the specific application requirements and the types of pumps being used.

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Using as an example a 12v pump typical of aquarium, to regulate flow is better to use a potentiometer or a closing valve to affect a rate of flow?
 
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Steven Bolgiano said:
Using as an example a 12v pump typical of aquarium, to regulate flow is better to use a potentiometer or a closing valve to affect a rate of flow?
A ball valve will be fantastic.
http://www.industrialvalvestore.com/sites/default/files/004-working-of-ball-valve_0.jpg
 
I tend to agree with that. But can someone tell me why a potentiometer isn't an effective way to adjust flow rates. I'm also curious why a brushless motor supposedly cannot be reversed flowed when the current is reversed,... Or at least that's what I've heard
 
Steven Bolgiano said:
I tend to agree with that. But can someone tell me why a potentiometer isn't an effective way to adjust flow rates. I'm also curious why a brushless motor supposedly cannot be reversed flowed when the current is reversed,... Or at least that's what I've heard
Well, if there is a non-electric solution, it will always be a better one than the electric one,because electric ones tends to go wrong more often. But regardless of that, controlling a pump with a potentiometer is a great idea.
 
Steven Bolgiano said:
I tend to agree with that. But can someone tell me why a potentiometer isn't an effective way to adjust flow rates. I'm also curious why a brushless motor supposedly cannot be reversed flowed when the current is reversed,... Or at least that's what I've heard
A potentiometer can be used for small brushed motors but the potentiometer may have to be rated to dissipate the same power as the motor. Might need a heat sink and cooling.

Brushless motors typically need an electronic means of doing the commutation. So it's not possible to use a single potentiometer in series with the motor to control the speed. However the electronics that does the commutation could be controlled using a potentiometer.

Many brushless motors can be reversed however the way you do it is different..With a small brushed motor you can typically just swap +ve and -ve and it will run backwards (possibly with increased brush wear). With a small three phase brushless motor, as used in model aircraft and model cars, you swap over any two of the three wires going to the motor. Alternatively some brushless motor controllers have a "switch" or link that reverses the commutation order making it spin backwards.

A lot depends what access you have. Do aquarium brushless motors have the controller built in? In that case it might not be possible the get access to the motor windings to swap them over.
 
I should also add that the voltage delivered to the pump motor isn't the only thing that determines the flow rate. Changes to the input or output pressure will also change the flow rate.

If you need accurate control measure the flow rate and use a feedback loop to control the motor speed.
 
Steven Bolgiano said:
Using as an example a 12v pump typical of aquarium, to regulate flow is better to use a potentiometer or a closing valve to affect a rate of flow?
How accurate do you need it? You also mention reversibility -- is that a design goal?
CWatters said:
If you need accurate control measure the flow rate and use a feedback loop to control the motor speed.
Or use something like a peristaltic pump with stepper motor control (or microstepper motor control):

https://www.graylineinc.com/assets/images/peristaltic-pump-operation.jpg

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