AC Circuit; find average and reactive power to load (and load V and I)

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the load current and voltage in an AC circuit with a specified load impedance and source voltage. Participants also explore how to determine the average and reactive power delivered to the load, including the necessary angles for power factor calculations.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the circuit parameters and attempts to calculate the load voltage (VL) and load current (IL) using voltage division and impedance values.
  • Another participant suggests that the angle of the load current can be determined relative to the load voltage, indicating a need for clarity on how to calculate this angle.
  • There is confusion regarding the direction of voltage drops in the circuit, with participants discussing the implications of the sign conventions used in the diagram.
  • Participants discuss the relationship between the angles of load voltage and load current in determining the power factor, with some suggesting that subtracting the angles may be necessary.
  • One participant proposes a formula for average power based on the calculated values, while another confirms that the power factor angle is relevant for this calculation.
  • There is a mention of a potential typo in the angle used for power calculations, leading to a recalculation of average power.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express uncertainty regarding the correct approach to determining angles for power factor calculations and the implications of the circuit diagram. There is no consensus on the best method to resolve these uncertainties.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight potential confusion arising from the diagram's representation of voltage drops and the directionality of current flow. The discussion includes unresolved questions about the correct angle to use for power factor calculations and the relationship between voltage and current angles.

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Students and individuals studying AC circuit analysis, particularly those interested in power calculations and phasor relationships in electrical engineering.

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Homework Statement



In the circuit shown, a load having an impedance of 39 + j26Ω is fed from a voltage source through a line having an impedance of 1 + j4Ω. The rms value of the source voltage is 250V.
a) Calculate the load current IL and voltage VL

b) Calculate the average and reactive power delivered to the load

Homework Equations



V = IR

I = V/R

voltage division

Polar form conversion

j*j = -1

1/j = -javerage power = VIcos∅

cos∅ = power factor

calculating power factorreactive power = (apparent power)sinθ

The Attempt at a Solution



Simplify to this first:



and then voltage division:

VL = (250∠0 deg)*[ (39Ω + 26Ωj)/(40Ω + 30Ωj) ] and in complete polar form:

VL = (250∠0 deg)*[ (46.8∠33.6)/(50∠36.8) ] VL = (234∠-3.25)Vsince the drop VL on the diagram is in the opposite direction thoughVL = (-234∠-3.25)VIL = (250∠0 V) / (50∠36.8 Ω)

IL = 5∠-36.8 ANow, not sure how to get part b from here. Any hints on how to calculate the angle to get power factor? What is meant by the angle between voltage and current to get power factor (and then being able to find average power)?
 
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You have the angle of the load voltage relative to the source voltage, and you have the angle of the load current relative to that same reference, so you should be able to determine the angle of the load current relative to the load voltage.

I think your diagram illustrates the wrong idea, or maybe it is just misleading? The power line is represented by 1 + j4. The load voltage is the voltage across the 39 + j26.

since the drop VL on the diagram is in the opposite direction though
I don't see it.
 
NascentOxygen said:
you should be able to determine the angle of the load current relative to the load voltage.

Sorry for asking, but how exactly do you do this? Any hints? Subtract the angles? It seems confusing.
NascentOxygen said:
The power line is represented by 1 + j4. The load voltage is the voltage across the 39 + j26.

That's right. Were you referring to my simplification though? The simplification was just to find the impedance / voltage across.And I mean there is a + and - for the VL on the question diagram while the battery is the "other way" (isn't it?)
 
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Color_of_Cyan said:
Sorry for asking, but how exactly do you do this? Any hints? Subtract the angles? It seems confusing.
If you draw the phasor diagram there should be no confusion. Simply subtract the angles.

And I mean there is a + and - for the VL on the question diagram while the battery is the "other way" (isn't it?)
The + and - are exactly how I'd expect them. No reversal necessary. The + of VL corresponds to the + of the source, so the potential divider equation gives VL as required. (To get current flowing in the load in the direction of the IL arrow, the top of the load must be + with respect to the bottom of the load.)
 
So VL stays positive then.Is the angle you are giving me the same for also determining power factor?And would the angle go: -36.8 - (-3.25) ?
 
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Color_of_Cyan said:
Is the angle you are giving me the same for also determining power factor?
Yes, current relative to voltage gives the pf. The question does not ask you for the power factor angle, though. All it asks for is load voltage (relative to source, presumably), and load current (again, presumably relative to souce voltage).

And would the angle go: -36.8 - (-3.25) ?
That looks about right (though it is not asked for).
 
So if

average power = VIcos∅

cos∅ = power factorThen can you calculate the average power as:

Pavg 5*-234(cos(-3.25°)) ?
 
V I cosɸ, but using the power factor angle ɸ that you determined earlier. (As a check, your answer should be the same as if you'd used I².R )
 
That angle was a typo, so

Pavg = 5*-234*cos(-33.55)

Pavg = -975W

=975W supplied?
 

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