Power series: How would you write this off as?

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The discussion revolves around a power series and the determination of its convergence based on the ratio test. Participants are exploring the implications of limits and the behavior of the series as n approaches infinity.

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  • Participants discuss the application of the ratio test and the limits involved in determining convergence. There are attempts to rewrite the limit expression and clarify the relationship between terms in the series. Some participants question the correctness of the initial interpretations and results.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing corrections and alternative perspectives on the limit and convergence of the series. There is a recognition of differing interpretations regarding the behavior of p and its implications for convergence.

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There is mention of a typo affecting the limit expression, and some participants note the need for more information regarding the value of p to make definitive statements about |x|. The conversation reflects uncertainty about the convergence behavior of the series for different values of x.

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So. There's this question about power series that will eventually take the form of

p= |x| lim n->inf | nn / (n+1)(n+1) |

But of course, in a futile attempt at a solution I tried doing the derivative for both functions. Didn't get anywhere of course.

Knowing that eventually the answer is x= inf or undefined, I tried to write the equation off as thus:

p= |x| lim n->inf eln (nn / (n+1)(n+1))
p= |x| lim n->inf eln n ln n- n ln (n+1)- ln (n+1)

Which will of course eventually lead to something along the lines of
p= |x| lim n->inf einf

Which... Effectively writes the whole equation off as p= inf. Convenient but not convincing.

Help here please, thank you.
 
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Archy said:
So. There's this question about power series that will eventually take the form of

p= |x| lim n->inf | nn / (n+1)(n+1) |

But of course, in a futile attempt at a solution I tried doing the derivative for both functions. Didn't get anywhere of course.

Knowing that eventually the answer is x= inf or undefined, I tried to write the equation off as thus:

p= |x| lim n->inf eln (nn / (n+1)(n+1))
p= |x| lim n->inf eln n ln n- n ln (n+1)- ln (n+1)

Which will of course eventually lead to something along the lines of
p= |x| lim n->inf einf

Which... Effectively writes the whole equation off as p= inf. Convenient but not convincing.

You should be a bit more careful about the limit. The second line above should read

p= |x| lim n->inf en ln n- n ln (n+1)- ln (n+1)

As a first step to computing the limit you should compare [tex]n \ln n[/tex] to [tex]n \ln(n+1)[/tex]. I don't believe that your stated result is correct. Of course saying anything about the value of |x| would require more information about the value of p than you've given.
 
Sorry about that. Was a typo.
anyway the question requires us to find the range of x in which the power series converges.

original equation is an=xn/nn
By the ratio test for absolute convergence,
p= limx->inf |an+1/an|
p= limx->inf | [xn+1/ (n+1)(n+1)] x [nn/xn] |
p= |x| limx->inf nn/(n+1)(n+1)

And it continues to it's current state.
The value of p is anonymous and dependent on x.

The answer is that for all values of x, the series diverges.
 
Again, be very careful when computing the limit. I'm not sure where you got the answer, but this series converges for finite x and this ratio test proves it. You can also use a comparison with the series based on [tex]b_n = (1/2)^n[/tex] to find an upper bound of 3/2 for your series evaluated at x=1.
 
Whoops.
Anyway I rang up the lecturer and the answer was actually, p is infinite for all x but the series converges for all values of x.
Sorry again about that.
 
Archy said:
Whoops.
Anyway I rang up the lecturer and the answer was actually, p is infinite for all x but the series converges for all values of x.
Sorry again about that.

What you're saying makes no sense. If p were infinite, the series would diverge for all nonzero x. What happens is that limit is zero, so p is zero for all finite x.
 

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