Practical question liquid nitrogen stump removal

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around methods for removing a 3-foot tree stump embedded in concrete without damaging the surrounding concrete. Participants explore various techniques, including the use of liquid nitrogen, chemical stump removers, and alternative methods like thermite.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests using liquid nitrogen to make the wood brittle for easier removal, questioning whether it would actually make the wood stronger instead.
  • Another participant advises against using liquid nitrogen, recommending the use of commercially available stump remover chemicals, specifically mentioning Spectracide Stump Remover Granules and their application process.
  • A third participant explains that cold temperatures do not make a tree stump brittle and provides details about the composition and usage of Spectracide Stump Remover Granules, emphasizing that it aids in natural decomposition.
  • Another participant notes that chemical stump removers can take a long time to work, depending on environmental conditions, and suggests that a vertical stump grinder might be necessary for stumps growing through concrete.
  • A different approach is shared by a participant who successfully used thermite to burn the stump down to charcoal, allowing for easier removal piece by piece.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing opinions on the effectiveness of liquid nitrogen versus chemical stump removers, with no consensus reached on the best method for stump removal. Some advocate for chemical solutions, while others propose alternative methods like thermite.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the time required for chemical decomposition and the potential risks of damaging concrete when using mechanical methods. The discussion includes various assumptions about the effectiveness and safety of the proposed methods.

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Ok so I need to get a 3foot stump out of concrete without damaging the concrete. It's at that terrible stage where it's to rotten to pull out and to solid to scoop out. My idea is to drill a hole and pour liquid nitrogen down the hole to make the wood brittle and then smash it with a pry bar. Will it make the wood brittle or will it make the wood stronger like it does with a banana?
 
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Warpspeed13 said:
Ok so I need to get a 3foot stump out of concrete without damaging the concrete. It's at that terrible stage where it's to rotten to pull out and to solid to scoop out. My idea is to drill a hole and pour liquid nitrogen down the hole to make the wood brittle and then smash it with a pry bar. Will it make the wood brittle or will it make the wood stronger like it does with a banana?

Unless you routinely work with liquid nitrogen, this sounds like a bad way to go.

Instead, I googled Stump Remover Chemical Home Depot, and got hits:

http://www.homedepot.com/p/Spectracide-1-lb-Stump-Remover-HG-66420-4/202097353

Looks like there are standard products that do the kind of disolving that you want. Be sure to follow the directions and stay safe! :smile:
 
Ice can be made very strong by adding sawdust. A tree stump will not become brittle when very cold.

Spectracide Stump Remover Granules are; Potassium Nitrate 100%.
Directions for use include;
THIS IS NOT AN INSTANT PRODUCT. IT IS AN AID TO NATURAL DECOMPOSITION.
To remove stumps, drill several 1-inch holes up to 12 inches deep into stump. Then into the side of the stump, approximately 3 to 4 inches from the top, drill a 1-inch hole slanting down to connect
with the bottom of the center hole (see illustration above.) Pour approximately 4 oz of Spectracide Stump Remover Granules into each hole. Then fill with hot water to dissolve the granules. Continue to add water to the holes for several days to ensure Spectracide Stump Remover Granules dissolve completely. Allow the decomposition process to take place for four to six weeks before removing the stump.
 
The main issue with stump remover chemical products is that they are basically nutrients to encourage bacteria and fungi to do the job naturally. That may take a few weeks for a fairly small stump in a warm climate, or it might take two or three years.

The right tool for the job is a vertical stump grinder, but if the tree was growing through concrete that would be probably be a job for a professional, rather than hiring a grinder and hoping you don't wreck it by attacking the concrete instead of the tree.

If you want to try "100% potassium nitrate", you might be able to get it cheaper from a chemical supplier, rather than as a product sold for stump removal.
 
Na solved it the best way possible the thing was only about half a foot in diameter so we drilled a hole into it and poured thermite in. Turned it to charcoal and broke it out a piece at a time
 

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