Pressure and temperature changes adiabatically for an ideal gas?

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The discussion revolves around the adiabatic expansion of an ideal gas, specifically focusing on how pressure and temperature change when a monatomic gas expands to a larger volume. The initial conditions provided include a pressure of 4.05 atm and a temperature of 355 K, with the gas expanding to 1.51 times its initial volume.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the use of the ideal gas law and the specific equations governing adiabatic processes, including the relationship between pressure, volume, and temperature. There is a focus on the significance of the gas being monatomic or diatomic and how that affects the value of gamma (γ). Some participants express confusion about how to apply these concepts correctly.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the necessary equations and clarifying the role of temperature in adiabatic processes. There is acknowledgment of the need to differentiate between monatomic and diatomic gases, particularly regarding the calculation of gamma. Some participants are seeking further clarification on specific concepts.

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Participants note that the temperature does not remain constant during the adiabatic expansion, which is a critical point in their reasoning. There is also mention of needing to reference specific values for Cv and Cp for different types of gases, which may not have been provided in the original question.

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Question:

An ideal gas, which is initially at a pressure of 4.05 atm and a temperature of 355 K is permitted to expand adiabatically to 1.51 times its initial volume.

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Find the final pressure if the gas is monatomic.

I was thinking P_i \cdot V_i = P_f \cdot V_f. But, I made no use of the information that the gas is monatomic. Later on, a question asks for the final pressure if the gas is diatomic. Well, my starting point wouldn't distinguish between the two, so it's not right.
 
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I would suppose you need to use the law for adiabatic expansion of an ideal gas. Of course, the ideal gas law holds as well.

PV^\gamma = constant

Being monoatomic, the values for Cv and Cp are C_v = \frac{3}{2}R, C_p = C_v + R, which allows you to find gamma, as \gamma = \frac{C_p}{C_v}.
 
erik-the-red said:
Question:
An ideal gas, which is initially at a pressure of 4.05 atm and a temperature of 355 K is permitted to expand adiabatically to 1.51 times its initial volume.
A.
Find the final pressure if the gas is monatomic.
I was thinking P_i \cdot V_i = P_f \cdot V_f. But, I made no use of the information that the gas is monatomic. Later on, a question asks for the final pressure if the gas is diatomic. Well, my starting point wouldn't distinguish between the two, so it's not right.
The reason you can't use P_i \cdot V_i = P_f \cdot V_f is because the temperature does not remain constant.
 
Thanks mezarashi, that is what I needed.

Chi Meson, thanks for reminding me that temperature is not constant.
 
Can someone explain this further? I don't understand what to use for gamma
 
mezarashi had it right - gamma is the ratio of Cp / Cv.

Check your text for Cv of a monatomic ideal gas, and Cv of a diatomic ideal gas, then use the fact that Cp is Cv + R, for an ideal gas.
 

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