Pressure and temperature drop through orifice

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the simulation and calculation of pressure and temperature drop through an orifice plate in fluid dynamics, specifically for a final year engineering project. Participants explore theoretical approaches, software options, and practical challenges related to modeling fluid flow through an orifice.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks software recommendations for simulating pressure drop through an orifice plate, expressing difficulty with ANSYS and looking for open-source alternatives.
  • Another participant mentions that flow through an orifice can be calculated differently for gases and liquids, and provides links to equations and online calculators for further reference.
  • There is a discussion about the assumption of isenthalpic conditions for temperature drop through an orifice, noting that ideal gases and incompressible fluids may not exhibit a temperature drop.
  • A participant expresses a desire for software that can visually present simulation results, indicating the need to compare theoretical calculations with computer-generated results.
  • One participant suggests that using a spreadsheet might be more efficient than CFD software for certain calculations.
  • A later reply questions the expected temperature drop given specific pressure and velocity changes, indicating a search for empirical data or charts to support the inquiry.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the best software for simulation or the expected temperature drop under the given conditions. Multiple viewpoints on the use of theoretical calculations versus software simulations remain present.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the lack of specific software recommendations and the dependence on various assumptions regarding fluid properties and flow conditions. The discussion does not resolve the mathematical steps needed to derive the expected temperature drop.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for engineering students or professionals interested in fluid dynamics, particularly those exploring orifice flow and simulation techniques.

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Hi,

I am currently trying to do a project for my final year in engineering.I have not been able to find any software that's helping me in simulating and obtaining results for pressure drop through an orifice plate.

i have tried the fluid option in ansys v10 dinn't understand how to use it properly its giving stress concentration due to fluid pressure than pressure drop through the orifice plate

is there any open source software that will help,ANSYS 12 and 13 are too costly


orifice plate:
1}inlet dia is 1cm
2]outlet is 0.5 cm
3]inlet pressure is Atmospheric 101.3 Kpa
4]inlet velocity is 30km/hr or 8.3m/sec

i need to find outlet pressure,velocity and temperature drop from inlet to outlet


theoretically Bernoulli's principal can be used but either V(outlet) or p(outlet) is required



any help is appreciated,

THank you :)
 
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Flow through an orifice is calculated in various ways depending on whether the fluid is gas or liquid and whether it might be choked flow. Equations can be found here:
http://www.air-dispersion.com/usource.html

Equations and an online calculator can be found here:
http://www.lmnoeng.com/Flow/SmallOrificeGas.htm

Regarding temperature drop through an orifice, we generally assume the pressure drop is isenthalpic. To get fluid properties for real fluids you should use a fluids properties database. Note that a temperature drop won't be predicted for an ideal gas or a perfectly incompressible fluid.
 
Q_Goest said:
Flow through an orifice is calculated in various ways depending on whether the fluid is gas or liquid and whether it might be choked flow. Equations can be found here:
http://www.air-dispersion.com/usource.html

Equations and an online calculator can be found here:
http://www.lmnoeng.com/Flow/SmallOrificeGas.htm

Regarding temperature drop through an orifice, we generally assume the pressure drop is isenthalpic. To get fluid properties for real fluids you should use a fluids properties database. Note that a temperature drop won't be predicted for an ideal gas or a perfectly incompressible fluid.

thanks for the reply :)

so theoretically using those formulas i can solve and get my required answer..but is there a software that will help me simulate this and show it as a presentation using software like ansys or some thing similar
 
I'm sure there's software that can do it but I'm not familiar with it. Just seems like a lot of effort to use a CFD software package when it can be done in seconds on a spreadsheet.
 
Try looking at ASME PTC 19.5 (it should be in your college library).
 
thanks for the replies :)
 
if i am getting a pressure drop from 101.3Kpa to 37.5Kpa
and increase in velocity from 8.33 m/s to 33.33 m/s

what kind of temperature drop can i expect ?

i looked through Google,dint get satisfactory results..i saw some charts of pr density vs temperature i couldn't infer much
 
Q_Goest said:
I'm sure there's software that can do it but I'm not familiar with it. Just seems like a lot of effort to use a CFD software package when it can be done in seconds on a spreadsheet.

i have to compare theoretical and computer generated results to prove what i have done is right,so a simulation of flowing fluid will be and changes in temperature,pressure,velocity has be shown...i will try using Fluid option in ANSYS 10 or i have to learn how to use fluent software in ANSYS 12
 

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