Pressure at different points in vacuum system

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the pressure measurements in a vacuum system, specifically comparing the pressure in a 1/4 inch tube to that in a 2.75 inch tube within a nitrogen flow setup. Participants explore the applicability of the Bernoulli equation and considerations related to gas flow dynamics in vacuum conditions.

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  • Technical explanation
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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the pressure in the 1/4 inch tube is the same as in the 2.75 inch tube when the gauge reads 1 torr.
  • Another participant asserts that the Bernoulli equation applies and can be used for pressure calculations.
  • A different participant raises the need for gas velocity information to perform accurate calculations, noting only the volumetric flow rate is known.
  • One participant identifies potential losses if the gas velocity is sufficiently high, which could affect pressure readings.
  • Another participant introduces the concept of the Knudsen regime, suggesting that if the pressure is low enough, Bernoulli's equation may not be applicable and Knudsen's equation should be used instead.
  • A participant mentions the necessity of temperature data to convert volumetric flow rate to flow velocity, indicating that this should not pose a significant issue.
  • Mean free path length is discussed, with a participant estimating it to be around 50 micrometers in the larger tube but not calculating it for the smaller tube.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the applicability of the Bernoulli equation versus Knudsen's equation, indicating a lack of consensus on the correct approach for analyzing the pressure in the tubes.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of gas velocity and temperature in calculations, as well as the potential impact of flow regime on the applicability of certain equations. Specific assumptions regarding gas behavior in vacuum conditions remain unresolved.

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Hi all,

I have a vacuum chamber which is consistently pumped out by a mechanical pump at the downstream end and is fed nitrogen at the upstream end. The path of the nitrogen is as follows: A mass flow controller regulates 150 SCCM flowing at all times. The N2 flows through several feet of 1/4 inch tube. The N2 then enters the reactor which is a 2.75 inch tube. The pressure is read by a gauge in the 2.75 inch tube. The N2 then flows to the pump.

Like this:

MFC (150 SCCM) --> 1/4" tube --> 2.75" tube (w/ pressure gauge) --> pump

My question is, let's say the pressure is read to be 1 torr in the 2.75 inch tube, is the pressure the same in the 1/4 inch tube? I am familiar with the bernoulli equation but unsure if that applies here,

Thanks for any feedback!
 
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Blueskyflyers said:
My question is, let's say the pressure is read to be 1 torr in the 2.75 inch tube, is the pressure the same in the 1/4 inch tube? I am familiar with the bernoulli equation but unsure if that applies here,
It applies here, and you can use it to calculate the pressure.
 
Don't I need to know the velocity of the gas inside the two tubes in order to do the calculation? All I know is 150 SCCM of N2 are being fed into the 1/4" tube
 
Yes...so you have the volumetric flow rate (standard and pressure) and pipe size...

The main x-factor I see is if the velocity is high enough, there may be losses.
 
Hi. If you're reading 1 torr in the main tube, that's awfully close to the Knudsen regime. It might already be Knudsen flow - probably you should check.

If it is in the Knudsen regime Bernoulli's equation is no longer applicable and you should use Knudsen's equation, instead.
 
You also need the temperature to convert volumetric flow rate to flow velocity, but that should not be a major problem.

Mean free path length should be of the order of 50 micrometers in the bigger tube. Didn't calculate it for the smaller tube.
 

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