Pressure change from cooling liquid.

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the vacuum effect generated by a cooling liquid in a semi-rigid container. Participants explore the implications of temperature changes on pressure differentials, particularly in the context of a sealed container filled with liquid cooling from a higher temperature to ambient conditions.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Exploratory

Main Points Raised

  • Post 1 introduces the problem of calculating the pressure differential generated by a cooling liquid in a sealed container and questions how this varies with container size.
  • Post 2 presents the combined gas law as a potential approach to calculate the pressure change, although the applicability to the specific scenario is uncertain.
  • Post 3 notes that for liquids with high vapor pressure, such as boiling water, the partial pressure of steam must be considered when calculating pressure changes during cooling.
  • Post 4 provides a specific calculation using the combined gas law, assuming no significant vapor pressure changes, and arrives at a pressure differential of 13.4 kPa, while questioning the validity of the approach.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether the combined gas law is appropriate for this scenario, particularly regarding the treatment of vapor pressure in liquids. There is no consensus on the best method for calculating the vacuum effect.

Contextual Notes

Assumptions include the neglect of vapor pressure changes for liquids not near boiling point, and the specific density adjustments made for water at different temperatures. The discussion does not resolve the implications of these assumptions on the calculations.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for individuals interested in thermodynamics, fluid mechanics, or engineering applications involving pressure changes in sealed systems.

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I have an application where I need to calculate the vacuum (pressure change below atmospheric) generated from a cooling liquid in a semi-rigid container.

If the container is filled near full (e.g. 2 litres) with a liquid at e.g. 70C, sealed and left to cool to ambient (e.g. 20C) there is a pressure differential to atmospheric generated from the volume change of the cooling liquid that equalises when the seal is broken.

How do I calculate what that pressure differential (vacuum effect) is?

How much will it vary depending on the size of the container?
 
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(p1V1)/(T1)=(p2V2)/(T2)
p=pressure v=volume T=temperature .
Combined gas law
I don't know if this is quite what you need .
 
Cragar's answer is correct for liquids with a low vapor pressure. For liquids with a high vapor pressure, like boiling water, the partial pressure of the steam as the liquid cools below 100 degrees centigrade must be taken into account. The vapor pressure of water (steam) drops from 760 mm (Hg) at 100 degrees C to ~355 mm at 80 C.

Bob S
 
Thanks very much for your help.

As I never will fill at near boiling point or above I will assume use of the combined gas law without consideration of vapor pressure changes.

So, if P1=101.3kPa, T1=345K, V1=2000ml
and T2=293K, V2=1958ml

(- V2 comes from asssumption that 1ml of water at 20C = 1g and at 72C 1ml = 0.979g so I multiplyed 2000 x 0.979)

I get, P2 = 87.9kPa

Therefore, pressure differential (vacuum effect) is 13.4kPa.

That is, when I break the seal the pressure will equalise and I will hear the air rush in.

The main purpose is to determine a negative pressure to apply to the closed container to see the effect on different container designs.

Am I on the right track or off the mark?

Thanks again.
 

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