Pressure increase required for 1 Joule of work

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around estimating the pressure increase required to perform one joule of mechanical work in the reversible compression of 1 mole of silver and alumina at room temperature. Participants explore the application of relevant equations and values from textbooks to solve the problem.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the work equation and the equation for dV, expressing uncertainty about the correctness of their approach and calculations.
  • Another participant requests specific values obtained from the calculations to compare with the textbook answer.
  • A different participant calculates a pressure of 1461.4 atm using a derived relationship and questions the compressibility value provided in the textbook, suggesting it may be incorrect.
  • One participant references a source that confirms the molar volume and provides a pressure value, noting that at high pressures, silver may not behave linearly.
  • A participant expresses gratitude for assistance and considers contacting their professor regarding potential errors in the textbook, indicating they have successfully performed similar calculations for alumina.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express uncertainty about the correctness of their calculations and the values provided in the textbook. There is no consensus on the accuracy of the compressibility value or the resulting pressure calculations.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention potential issues with units and calculations, as well as the linear behavior of silver under high pressure, which remains unresolved.

Bergman

Homework Statement


Estimate the pressure increase required to impart one joule of mechanical work in reversibly compressing 1 mol of silver at room temperature.
Same process for alumina.

Homework Equations


W=-PdV
dV=V(alpha)dT-V(beta)dP
dT=0

The Attempt at a Solution


I used the work equation and the equation for dV to find the following:

delta W=-P[-V(beta)dP]
delta W= V(beta) integral (PdP)
W= VBeta/2 * (P2^2-P1^2) When I try to use this equation with the values in my textbook, I am not getting the correct answer. My book gives the molar volume as 10.27 cc/mol, and the beta value for silver as 9e7.
At this point I'm not entirely sure if my equation is correct and I'm simply making a mistake in my calculations or units, or I'm very far off. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
 
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Bergman said:
When I try to use this equation with the values in my textbook, I am not getting the correct answer.
It would help if you could say what you get and what the book gets.
 
I have continued working on the problem, and found the relationship 1J=9.8699 cc atm. When I use this I get:

2* 9.8699 cc atm / (10.27 cc * 9e-7) = P2^2-P1^2

In which case I get 1461.4 atm

The book gave the compressibility as 9 e7, but I think it should be 9 e-7

The answer in the back of the textbook is 9 e6 atm
 
Neglecting atmospheric pressure:
This page quotes 0.00993 GPa-1 for silver and confirms the molar volume.

At 1461*105 Pa, we compress it by 0.00145, and I get 1.09 J, that fits.

At 9 million times the atmospheric pressure (?) silver doesn't behave linearly any more.
 
Thank you for the help, I really appreciate it. I may contact my professor to ask if the textbook may be wrong, considering that I have been able to do the same calculation for alumina, and get the expected value.
 

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