Thermodynamics: Calculating Pressure Increase From Work

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the pressure increase required to impart 1 J of mechanical work when reversibly compressing 1 mol of silver and alumina at room temperature. Participants explore the implications of compressibility coefficients and the conversion of units in their calculations.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents an initial calculation for the pressure increase for silver and alumina, noting discrepancies with expected values.
  • Another participant suggests that the mechanical work should be converted to units of cm3 atm to achieve correct results.
  • Several participants confirm the calculated pressure increase for alumina as approximately 979 atm, while differing values for silver are reported.
  • One participant indicates a potential error in the use of the compressibility coefficient (beta) in their calculations.
  • Discrepancies in results for silver are noted, with values ranging from 440 atm to 1461 atm being discussed.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the pressure increase for alumina, but there is disagreement regarding the correct pressure increase for silver, with multiple values being proposed and no consensus reached.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty regarding the correct application of the compressibility coefficient and the conversion of units, which may affect their calculations. The discussion does not resolve these uncertainties.

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Homework Statement


Estimate the pressure increase required to impart 1 J of mechanical work in reversibly compressing 1 mol of silver at room temperature. What pressure rise would be required to impart 1 J of work to 1 mol of alumina at room temperature? For alumina take the molar volume to be 25.715 (cc/mol) and (BETA)=8*10^(-7) (atm)^(-1).
For silver, the molar volume is 10.27 (cc/mol) and (BETA)= 9.93*10^(-6)
Beta is the coefficient of compressibility

Homework Equations


Mechanical Work= -PdV
dV=V(ALPHA)dt-V(BETA)dP

The Attempt at a Solution


I assumed that temperature remained constant during this process. I know that the answer should be 9.6*(10)^6 atm for silver and 978 atm for alumina. I have been getting 140041 atm for silver and 311800 atm for alumina. The attempt is attached below. Any ideas as to what I'm doing wrong? Thanks in advance!
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Matt James said:

Homework Statement


Estimate the pressure increase required to impart 1 J of mechanical work in reversibly compressing 1 mol of silver at room temperature. What pressure rise would be required to impart 1 J of work to 1 mol of alumina at room temperature? For alumina take the molar volume to be 25.715 (cc/mol) and (BETA)=8*10^(-7) (atm)^(-1).
For silver, the molar volume is 10.27 (cc/mol) and (BETA)= 9.93*10^(-6)
Beta is the coefficient of compressibility

Homework Equations


Mechanical Work= -PdV
dV=V(ALPHA)dt-V(BETA)dP

The Attempt at a Solution


I assumed that temperature remained constant during this process. I know that the answer should be 9.6*(10)^6 atm for silver and 978 atm for alumina. I have been getting 140041 atm for silver and 311800 atm for alumina. The attempt is attached below. Any ideas as to what I'm doing wrong? Thanks in advance!
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I can't open your attachment. Have you uploaded the file?
 
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Sorry, thought I attached the image to the original post

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I can't open your attachment. Have you uploaded the file?

I just realized what I was doing wrong. I needed to convert the mechanical work (in Joules) to units of cm^3 atm. This gives me the right answer for alumina, but I'm getting 1461.34 atm for silver. Attached below is the work with the conversions in mind

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Matt James said:
I just realized what I was doing wrong. I needed to convert the mechanical work (in Joules) to units of cm^3 atm. This gives me the right answer for alumina, but I'm getting 1461.34 atm for silver. Attached below is the work with the conversions in mind

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This result doesn't seem to agree with your result shown on the paper. Please show your work, including the substitutions.

I confirm the 979 atm for alumina. For silver, from the data given, I get 440 atm.
 
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This result doesn't seem to agree with your result shown on the paper. Please show your work, including the substitutions.

I confirm the 979 atm for alumina. For silver, from the data given, I get 440 atm.
Here's the work for the silver sample, I'm still getting 1461 atm
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Matt James said:
Here's the work for the silver sample, I'm still getting 1461 atm
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It looks like you used the wrong value of beta in your calculation. Otherwise, nicely done.
 
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Chestermiller said:
It looks like you used the wrong value of beta in your calculation. Otherwise, nicely done.
Okay, thank you!
 

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