Principal Ideals: Homework Solution

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The discussion revolves around the properties of ideals in the context of commutative rings, specifically focusing on the ideal generated by polynomials in the polynomial ring Q[x]. The original poster presents a problem involving the ideal I generated by x^4 + x^2 and seeks to demonstrate the relationship between this ideal and another ideal J defined by the condition that y^2 is in I.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the explicit representation of ideals and the implications of polynomial membership in these ideals. There are attempts to show that the ideal generated by x^3 + x is contained in J, and questions are raised about the assumptions made regarding the nature of the principal ideal domain.

Discussion Status

Some participants have made progress in proving certain inclusions, particularly that x^3 + x is in J. However, there remains difficulty in establishing the reverse inclusion. The conversation indicates that various interpretations of the problem are being explored, and there is a mix of correct and incorrect assumptions being addressed.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of not assuming specific forms of the principal ideal domain and emphasize the need for generality in the proofs. There is also mention of the irreducibility of polynomials and its implications for membership in ideals.

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Homework Statement


Let I be an ideal of the commutative ring R, and let J = {y in R such that y^2 in I}
a) If R is the polynomial ring Q[x] and I is the principal ideal of R generated by x^4 + x^2, show that J is the principal ideal of R generated by x^3 + x
b) If R is a Principal Ideal Domain, show that J is an ideal of R

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To solve for part a), I tried to write I = (x^4 + x^2) and (x^3 + x) explicitly and it turned out be long messy polynomial equations and i couldn't really show it rigorously that J = (x^3 + x) is true. For part b), one can take R to be Q[x] since Q[x] is a P.I.D. (since Q is a field), and by a), J must then be an ideal of R.

Any help on part a) particularly and b) would be very much appreciated.
 
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I used < > isntead of ( ) for denoting ideal generated by since I thought it might be confusing when I'm referring to a polynomial vs. the ideal generated by it

If I = <x4 + x2>... that IS I... what kind of form does "explicitly" take? A generic polynomial is going to be one of the form f(x)(x4 + x2) where f is a polynomial.

A good place to start would be to show <x3 + x> is a subset of J... show x3 + x is in J, then for any polynomial f(x), f(x)*(x3 + x) is contained in J also.

Your answer to (b) is wrong. You can't assume R is a specific principal ideal domain, you have to show that the result holds for any principal ideal domain (for example, what if the domain was Z?)
 
Just think of what membership in each ideal implies about what irreducible factors the polynomials must have.
 
i've solved part b) and one direction of a); precisely the part that <x^3 + x> is contained in J but I have some difficulty proving the other inclusion. This is what I have so far: take any polynomial f in J, so f^2 is in I => so (x^4 + x^2) divides f^2 => x^2 divides f^2 (or even x divides f^2) and (x^2 + 1) divides f^2 but I can't show how to deduce that (x^3 + x) divides f => J is contained in (x^3 + x)
 
If x|f*g then x|f or x|g. Doesn't that follow from the irreducibility of x?
 

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