Principles of Pseudo perpetual motion

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the principles of pseudo perpetual motion (PPM) devices, exploring theoretical frameworks, potential mechanisms, and the implications of magnetic fields in relation to space-time distortion. Participants share various hypotheses and ideas regarding the generation of energy and the nature of magnetic fields, with a focus on conceptual and experimental aspects.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that achieving PPM requires a continuously changing event horizon, with examples involving solar temperatures and magnetic attraction.
  • Others argue that the principles of PPM can be illustrated through diagrams, emphasizing the role of magnetic differentials and the potential for altering distances without input energy.
  • A participant posits that magnetic fields are in continuous motion and questions how to detect the motion of magnetic poles, suggesting a relationship between this motion and perpetual motion.
  • Another viewpoint introduces the idea that magnets distort space-time, with a metaphorical interpretation of magnetic poles representing future and past space-time.
  • Some participants explore the concept of space charge and space current, proposing that these properties of space may be fundamental to understanding electromagnetic fields.
  • There are inquiries about how to scientifically demonstrate that magnetic fields can be viewed as space-time distortions, including questions about light distortion in the presence of strong magnetic fields.
  • One participant raises the challenge of creating a sufficiently large magnet to observe significant effects, referencing gravitational effects on light as a comparison.
  • Technical discussions include the Lorentz force and its relationship to electric and magnetic forces, with attempts to connect these concepts to gravitational forces and space-time curvature.
  • Some participants express confusion about the definition of "pseudo perpetual motion," seeking clarification on whether it refers to systems that appear to operate without energy input.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants exhibit a range of competing views and hypotheses regarding the principles of PPM and the nature of magnetic fields. There is no consensus on the definitions or mechanisms involved, and the discussion remains unresolved with multiple interpretations presented.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the lack of consensus on the definition of pseudo perpetual motion and the assumptions underlying various claims about magnetic fields and space-time. Some mathematical relationships and theoretical frameworks presented remain unverified within the discussion.

  • #31
Antonio Lao said, 'But it is also true that magnetic field can exist only if there is some charges moving (current density). But in "empty" space, there is no charge and no current yet there is electromagnetic field. Since there must be some sort of "charge" or "current" in vacuum in order for the EM field to exist, these "charge" and "current" must be some kind of properties of space itself. For purposes of distinction, we can call them "space charge" and "space current." '

Nonsense! The laws of classical electricity and magnetism don't require there to be charges or currents wherever there is a field. That's the whole idea of the field; it exists in space even where there is no charge. The EM laws just say that if there is a field somewhere, there must be charges somewhere.
 
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  • #32
jdavel said:
The laws of classical electricity and magnetism don't require there to be charges or currents wherever there is a field.

The object of modern nonclassical quantum field theory (QFT) is to quantize the field. This is done. QFT gives us the quantum of each fundamental force as the photon, W, Z, gluon, and graviton. The W's particles are the only ones with electric charge. This is a mystery.

One way to get around this is by proposing the existence of "space charge" and its movement is called "space current." Further, these new ideas can also give plausible explanation concerning the origin of mass which can then clarify the concept of Higgs boson and make a connection to the graviton. These ideas can also explain the concept of dark matter and dak energy and locate the site of the long lost antigravity force.
 
  • #33
jdavel said:
The laws of classical electricity and magnetism don't require there to be charges or currents wherever there is a field. That's the whole idea of the field; it exists in space even where there is no charge. The EM laws just say that if there is a field somewhere, there must be charges somewhere.
I think this explanation is clear, accurate, and useful.
 

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