Probability for finding particle outside potential well

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves calculating the probability of finding a particle in the first excited state of a harmonic oscillator potential within the classically forbidden region. The original poster attempts to set up an integral based on the wave function and the potential energy, but encounters issues with the resulting expressions.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the validity of intersecting the probability distribution with the potential function, questioning the units and relevance of this approach. The original poster later adjusts their method to consider energy levels, but still faces challenges with the resulting integral involving an error function.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing guidance on correcting the approach to finding intersection points and suggesting a change of variables to simplify the integral. There is no explicit consensus yet, as different interpretations and methods are being explored.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the problem may involve complex numbers and that the integral's form is not yielding a straightforward numerical result. The original poster is working under the constraints of homework rules, which may limit the methods they can use.

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Homework Statement


A particle in the harmonic oscillator potential is in the first excited state. What is the probability of finding this particle in the classically forbidden region?


Homework Equations



probability of finding particle = integral of abs[psi squared] [a,b]

The Attempt at a Solution



So, I'm using mathematica to find the intersection point of my x probability distribution with the oscillator potential function.

Solve[ ((m*w)/(\[Pi]*h))^(1/4)*(2*m*w/h)^(1/2)*
Exp[-((m*w)/(2*h))*x^2] - (1/2) (w^2)*m*x == 0, x]

but I get the answer
{{x -> -(Sqrt[h] Sqrt[
ProductLog[(8 Sqrt[(m w)/h])/(h^2 Sqrt[\[Pi]] w^2)]])/(
Sqrt[m] Sqrt[w])}, {x -> (
Sqrt[h] Sqrt[
ProductLog[(8 Sqrt[(m w)/h])/(h^2 Sqrt[\[Pi]] w^2)]])/(
Sqrt[m] Sqrt[w])}}

and then when I use this in my integral I get the answer
1/Sqrt[\[Pi]]2 ((m w)/h)^(3/2) If[Re[1/h] Re[m w] > 0

which obviously isn't a number as expected and seems to contain imaginary numbers. I don't understand what I'm doing wrong but this problem doesn't seem like it should be so complicated.
 
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It doesn't make any sense at all to intersect the probability distribution with the potential. They don't even have the same units. The classically allowed region of x is the region where E>V(x), where E is the energy of the first excited state.
 
Right, I've corrected that part using the energy of the first excited state and finding those x intersection points. However the integral I get still involves an error function, and I'm wanting to get a numerical approximation.
 
Eric_meyers said:
Right, I've corrected that part using the energy of the first excited state and finding those x intersection points. However the integral I get still involves an error function, and I'm wanting to get a numerical approximation.

Try doing a change of variables so the exponential part becomes exp(-u^2). What's u in terms of x? If you do that the other constants in the integral should drop out too.
 

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