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Hey! :o

I want to prove or disprove that for a probability measure $Q$ over a $\sigma$-algebra $\mathcal{B}$ with $A,B\in \mathcal{B}$ the following hold:
  1. $Q(A\cup B)=1-Q(\overline{A}\cup \overline{B})$
  2. $1-Q(\overline{A}\cap \overline{B})=Q(\overline{A})+Q(\overline{B})+Q(\overline{A}\cup \overline{B})$
  3. $1-Q(\overline{A})-Q(\overline{B})=Q(A)-1+Q(B)$
  4. $Q(A)\neq \emptyset\Rightarrow A\neq \emptyset$
I have done the following :

  1. Let $\Omega$ be the universal set.
    We suppose that the statement is true.
    For $A=\emptyset$ and $B=\Omega$ be we get the following:
    \begin{align*}&Q(\emptyset\cup \Omega)=1-Q(\overline{\emptyset}\cup \overline{\Omega}) \\ & \Rightarrow Q(\Omega)=1-Q(\Omega\cup \emptyset) \\ & \Rightarrow Q(\Omega)=1-Q(\Omega) \\ & \Rightarrow 2Q(\Omega)=1 \\ & \Rightarrow Q(\Omega)=\frac{1}{2} \\ & \Rightarrow 1=\frac{1}{2}\end{align*}
    So, the statement is in general not true.

    Is everything correct?
    $$$$
  2. Let $S\in \mathcal{B}$.
    We have that $\Omega = S\cup \overline{S}$. Then $Q(\Omega)=Q(S\cup \overline{S})$. Since $Q$ is a probability measure, we get that $Q(\Omega)=1$ and $Q(S\cup \overline{S})=Q(S)+Q(\overline{S})$.
    Therefore, we get that:
    $$Q(\Omega)=Q(S\cup \overline{S}) \Rightarrow 1=Q(S)+Q(\overline{S}) \Rightarrow Q(\overline{S})=1-Q(S)$$

    By De Morgan’s laws we have that $\overline{A\cup B}=\overline{A}\cap \overline{B}$.

    We have that $Q(\overline{A\cup B})=1-Q(A\cup B) \Rightarrow Q(\overline{A}\cap \overline{B})=1-Q(A\cup B) \Rightarrow 1-Q(\overline{A}\cap \overline{B})=Q(A\cup B)$.

    So, we have to check if $Q(A\cup B)=Q(\overline{A})+Q(\overline{B})+Q(\overline{A}\cup \overline{B})$, right? How could we check that?

    $$$$
  3. We have that $Q(\overline{A})=1-Q(A)$ and $Q(\overline{B})=1-Q(B)$.

    So, we get:
    $$1-Q(\overline{A})-Q(\overline{B})=1-(1-Q(A))-(1-Q(B))=1-1+Q(A)-1+Q(B)=Q(A)-1+Q(B)$$
    So, the statement is true.

    Is everything correct?

    $$$$
  4. Could you give me a hint for this statement?
 
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mathmari said:
Hey! :o

I want to prove or disprove that for a probability measure $Q$ over a $\sigma$-algebra $\mathcal{B}$ with $A,B\in \mathcal{B}$ the following hold:
  1. $Q(A\cup B)=1-Q(\overline{A}\cup \overline{B})$
  2. $1-Q(\overline{A}\cap \overline{B})=Q(\overline{A})+Q(\overline{B})+Q(\overline{A}\cup \overline{B})$
  3. $1-Q(\overline{A})-Q(\overline{B})=Q(A)-1+Q(B)$
  4. $Q(A)\neq \emptyset\Rightarrow A\neq \emptyset$

Hey mathmari!

1. All correct. (Nod)

2. How about checking for, say, $A=B=\Omega$?

3. Good.

4. The statement $S\Rightarrow T$ is true if and only if $\lnot T \Rightarrow \lnot S$.
Can we prove the latter? (Wondering)
 
I like Serena said:
2. How about checking for, say, $A=B=\Omega$?

For $A=B=\Omega$ we get the following:

The left side is equal to $1-Q(\overline{\Omega}\cap \overline{\Omega})=1-Q(\emptyset\cap \emptyset)=1-Q(\emptyset)=1-0=1$.

The right side is equal to $Q(\overline{\Omega})+Q(\overline{\Omega})+Q(\overline{\Omega}\cup \overline{\Omega}) =Q(\emptyset)+Q(\emptyset)+Q(\emptyset\cup \emptyset)=0+0+Q(\emptyset)=0$.

Therefore, the statement does not hold in general, right? (Wondering)
I like Serena said:
4. The statement $S\Rightarrow T$ is true if and only if $\lnot T \Rightarrow \lnot S$.
Can we prove the latter? (Wondering)

So, we have to prove that $\lnot A\neq \emptyset \Rightarrow \lnot Q(A)\neq 0$, i.e. that $A= \emptyset \Rightarrow Q(A)=0$, i.e. $Q(\emptyset )=0$, right? (Wondering)

Since $Q$ is a probability measure, we have that $Q(\Omega)=1$ and that $Q(S_1\cup S_2)=Q(S_1)+Q(S_2)$, for $S_1, S_2\in \mathcal{B}$.
So, we get the following:
$$Q(\Omega)=Q(\Omega\cup \emptyset)=Q(\Omega)+Q(\emptyset) \Rightarrow 1=1+Q(\emptyset) \Rightarrow Q(\emptyset)=0$$
right?

So, since it holds that $\lnot A\neq \emptyset \Rightarrow \lnot Q(A)\neq 0$, it follows that $Q(A)\neq 0\Rightarrow A\neq \emptyset$, right? (Wondering)
 
mathmari said:
Since $Q$ is a probability measure, we have that $Q(\Omega)=1$ and that $Q(S_1\cup S_2)=Q(S_1)+Q(S_2)$, for $S_1, S_2\in \mathcal{B}$.

We have the additional constraint that $S_1$ and $S_2$ must be disjoint. (Nerd)

Otherwise everything is correct. (Mmm)
 
I like Serena said:
We have the additional constraint that $S_1$ and $S_2$ must be disjoint. (Nerd)

Otherwise everything is correct. (Mmm)

Great! Thank you! (Yes)