Probability of stars in a multiverse

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the probability of star and galaxy formation within the context of multiverse theories. Participants explore differing viewpoints based on interpretations of works by Martin Rees and Victor Stenger, examining the implications of fundamental constants and the conditions necessary for structure formation in various universes.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants reference Rees' argument that the probability of star formation is low due to the critical nature of specific fundamental constants.
  • Others, citing Stenger, suggest that altering two or more constants could create conditions favorable for structure formation.
  • A participant expresses skepticism about multiverse theories, questioning the assumption that fundamental constants can take arbitrary values.
  • Another participant proposes that the relationship between fundamental constants may increase the likelihood of structure formation in most multiverses.
  • Concerns are raised about the speculative nature of multiverse theories and the dependence of structure formation on the laws of physics.
  • Some participants argue that the observation of structure formation does not imply it is likely in other universes, as intelligent observers can only exist in universes where structure has formed.
  • Discussion includes the idea that variations in fundamental constants could lead to vastly different outcomes regarding the formation of stars and galaxies.
  • One participant mentions chaotic inflation theory and the potential for different regions of the multiverse to have varying physical properties.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views, with no consensus on the probability of star formation in a multiverse. Some support the idea that certain constants are critical, while others argue for the potential of different combinations leading to structure formation. The discussion remains unresolved with competing perspectives on the implications of multiverse theories.

Contextual Notes

Participants note limitations in current understanding of the necessary physics for structure formation and the speculative nature of multiverse theories. There are unresolved questions regarding the variation of constants and their impact on the likelihood of star formation.

  • #61
I agree Gurzadyan and Penrose is a stretch. Strictly an opinion, but, it appears cosmic strings are a long shot at present.
 
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  • #62
Chronos said:
I agree Gurzadyan and Penrose is a stretch. Strictly an opinion, but, it appears cosmic strings are a long shot at present.
Well, I don't know how much of a long shot they are. They are certainly very rare, given current observational evidence. There's no question about that. But it would be a very interesting discovery if we found even one in the visible universe.
 

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