Probability - random variables, poisson/binomial distributions

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The discussion revolves around estimating the probability of a text file being transferred without errors, using both Poisson and binomial distributions. The scenario involves a file containing 1000 characters, with each character having a probability of 0.001 of being corrupted during transfer.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the application of Poisson and binomial distributions to model the number of corrupted characters. There is an attempt to calculate the probability of zero errors using both distributions, with some confusion regarding the parameters used in the Poisson model.

Discussion Status

Some participants have offered guidance on the correct use of parameters for the Poisson distribution, noting that it should be approximated using the product of the number of trials and the probability of success. There is ongoing clarification regarding the expected values and the interpretation of "success" in the context of the problem.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the correct approach to the problem, particularly in distinguishing between the parameters for the Poisson and binomial distributions. The discussion reflects a learning process with varying interpretations of the statistical models involved.

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Homework Statement


A text file contains 1000 characters. When the file is sent by email from one machine to another, each character (independent of other characters) has probability 0.001 of being corrupted. Use a poisson random variable to estimate the probability that the file is transferred with no errors. Compare this to the answer you get when modelling the number of errors as a binomial random variable.


Homework Equations


p_x(k) = (a^k)(e^-a)/(k!), poisson
p_x(k) = (n choose k)(p^k)(q^{n-k}), binomial


The Attempt at a Solution


Poisson:
Let x be the number of corrupted characters.
E(X) = 0.001 = a
P(X=n) = (0.001^n)(e^-0.001)/(n!)
P(X=0) = e^-0.001

Binomial:
E(x) = np = 1000 x 0.001 = 1

I don't really think I'm tackling either of these problems in the correct way but don't know what else to do. Thanks for any help.
 
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I don't think you have to worry about expected values here. When you model the number of errors with a binomial distribution, you want to find the probability of 0 "successes." "Success" in this case means a character being corrupted, which happens with probability .001. So you want to find p(k=0) using the formula

p(k)={n \choose k} p^k (1-p)^{n-k}.

For the poisson distribution, notice here that n is large and p small. When this is the case, a binomial distribution can be approximated by poission with parameter \lambda =np.
 
I'm still a bit confused, when I use poisson I get P(X=n) = (0.001^n)(e^-0.001)/(n!), so P(X=0) is e^-0.001 which is 0.99999 recurring. However, when I try it as you suggested, again using poisson but with np instead I get e^-1 which is about 0.37.
 
Kate2010 said:
I'm still a bit confused, when I use poisson I get P(X=n) = (0.001^n)(e^-0.001)/(n!), so P(X=0) is e^-0.001 which is 0.99999 recurring. However, when I try it as you suggested, again using poisson but with np instead I get e^-1 which is about 0.37.

Apologies for the (very) late response.

When you write P(X=n) = (0.001^n)(e^-0.001)/(n!), you are saying that the Poisson parameter is .001, which is not true. In this problem, the Poisson parameter is supposed to be approximated by np, as mentioned above.

The value .001 is used for modeling the number of errors as a binomial random variable, that is, the probability of no "successes" (i.e. no characters corrupted) is

P(X=0)=p(0)={n\choose 0} .001^0 (1-.001)^{n-0}

where n=1000, the number of trials.
 
Thanks, I understand now :)
 

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