Probability with a normalized wave function

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The discussion revolves around the normalization of a wave function given by psi=sqrt(2/a) * sin^2(pi*x/a) and the calculation of probabilities for specific intervals. Participants explore the implications of normalization in quantum mechanics, particularly in relation to the integral of the wave function over specified limits.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a wave function and attempts to calculate the probability for a specific range, expressing confusion about the normalization and the results of their integral.
  • Another participant questions the normalization of the wave function, suggesting that it may not be normalized as it diverges when integrated over its entire range, and proposes a different approach to calculating probabilities using a substitution.
  • A third participant expresses uncertainty about the meaning of "normalized" and seeks clarification, noting a previous discussion with their professor who insisted the wave function is correct.
  • Further clarification is provided regarding the definition of normalization, emphasizing the need for the integral of the wave function to equal one over the specified range.
  • Participants discuss the differences between the wave function in the assignment and the one presented, indicating potential misunderstandings or missing information.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the normalization of the wave function. There are competing views regarding its validity and the implications for calculating probabilities.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions about the normalization of the wave function and its implications for the probability calculations. The discussion highlights the importance of understanding the conditions under which the wave function is defined.

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Homework Statement


So I have this normalized wave function

psi=sqrt(2/a) * sin^2(pi*x/a)

with limits of 0 and a.

I'm supposed to find the probability for a bunch of points if this form:

p(x=0.00a,x=0.002a)


Homework Equations



P(a,b)=int(psi^2)dx

The Attempt at a Solution



So, partially solving the integral, I'm stuck here:

(2/a) * [ (x/2) - (a/4pi) * sin(2*pi*x/a) ] between 0 and a

My first question. If I continue to solve the definite integral P=1. This is appearently not the correct answer. I know my calculus is right and I've verified it in wolfram alpha and octave.

Once I figure out how to proceed I need to plug in these values which have a in them, not really sure how that is going to work out either.

Any suggestions?
 
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$$P(\alpha<x<\beta)=\int_\alpha ^\beta \psi^\star(x)\psi(x)\; dx$$

You have been given ##\psi(x)= \sqrt{\frac{2}{a}}\sin^2(\pi x/a)##

- there has to be more to the function than that because this is not normalized - there must be part where it says ##\psi = 0## for some values of x.

You need to be able to find probabilities of form:
$$P(0<x<ra)=\frac{2}{a}\int_0 ^{ra} \sin^4(\pi x/a)\; dx\; :\; 0<r\leq 1$$

(eg. in your example, post #1, r=0.002)

this will be easier with a substitution like: ##\theta=\pi x/a##

$$P(0<x<ra)=P(0<\theta <\pi r)=\cdots$$

... and you can look up the indefinite integral for sin4(x)
 
Ok, I'm pretty new to this stuff but if by normalized you mean is equal to one than it is normalized.
If that's not what you mean then maybe I'm misunderstanding the meaning of the word normalized.

I've already taken it to my professor once, because I thought there was a mistake. He insists there is not.

Here is a link to the actual assignment
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/22548767/CHEC%20352%20Exam%20II%20Assignment.pdf BTW: is that Latex you are using? can you just type that into a message or does it have to be encapsulated by something?
 
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Ok, I'm pretty new to this stuff but if by normalized you mean is equal to one than it is normalized. If that's not what you mean then maybe I'm misunderstanding the meaning of the word normalized.
By "normalized" I mean that:
$$\int_{-\infty}^\infty \psi^\star\psi\; dx = 1$$

... the wavefunction given in post #1 is:
psi=sqrt(2/a) * sin^2(pi*x/a)
... that wavefunction is periodic and positive everywhere - so the integral is going to diverge. If we restrict the range to a single wavelength, [0,a], assuming zero elsewhere, then the integral does not come to 1 (check). Therefore, it is not normalized. Therefore there is missing information =)

Here is a link to the actual assignment
Excellent <reads>

The wavefunction given in your assignment sheet has some important differences from the one in post #1 - it's much simpler for a start. Please go over it more carefully.

Anyway - even with the differences - the same advise will hold as of post #2 but with the actual wavefunction this time.

BTW: is that Latex you are using? can you just type that into a message or does it have to be encapsulated by something?
Well spotted - yes it is ##\LaTeX##
... below my post, to the right, there is a button marked "quote" - click on it and you will see how I did it ;)
 
got it.
thanks for your help.
 

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